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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:53 pm  
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:14 pm  
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Because it is ONE PAPER who is saying that he is expected to plead guilty.

Nobody else has said anything of the sort.

By just stating that he is expected to plead guilty you are giving the impression that that is fact. It isn't. It's just one paper speculating.



Only one paper ? no they all are and not without reason.Anyway im done talking to you,as usual your head in the sand approach to anything is annoying.

It does not matter what any of us think as non of us infuence the panel that will sit on this case,that majority of people that saw the incident think there was a bite and if the majority of the panel think the same,conclusive evidence or not then there will be a ban.The only thing Jammer could say is he isnt a dirty player and it was a spur of the moment rush of blood.
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:30 pm  
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Only one paper ? no they all are and not without reason.Anyway im done talking to you,as usual your head in the sand approach to anything is annoying.

I always know when people are getting desperate as they resort to stupid personal insults.

I take it you have read all the Australian papers then. Well done you!

I prefer to wait until the verdict has been announced by the NRL before condemning someone when the evidence provided is in fact inconclusive. Unlike you and some others, I have no wish to be part of the lynch mob.
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:28 am  
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Got any straw left for construction purposes? I haven't painted Bailey as a model professional at all. In fact I don't particularly rate him as highly as many Leeds fans do. Doesn't put in the hits or make sufficient meters for my liking. Very good at the niggly stuff and getting under opposition players skin though. Just ask the incessantly whining John Wilkin and he'll confirm that.

I simply asked you to provide evidence of Bailey's track record on untoward behaviour such as biting. You chose to make an example of him as having a clear track record of having indulged in similar - if not worse - and then by association, placed him on a par with Hock (gouging). Now I'm quite sure that Bailey has no clear track record of ever biting or gouging any other player on the pitch - unlike Hock - or as will become apparent fairly soon in the case of Graham.

Your belated two word reference to Bailey's teenage spell in a youth offenders unit for street brawling outside a nightclub alongside three other players dishing it out among themselves is further evidence of your desperate argument.



Ryans appearances before the RFL disciplinary since 2008 including intentional striking with the elbow, striking with the knees and a physical assault on a referee.

ON/748/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Catalans v Leeds 21/09/12
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James Graham over the same period, dissent, dangerous tackle and a strike with the forearm where he was considered not guilty - it was a different St Helens player.

ON/841/11 James Graham St Helens St Helens v Salford 02/09/11
ON/310/08 James Graham & Chris Flannery St Helens Hull V St Helens 24/05/08
ON/97/08 James Graham St Helens St Helens v Wakefield 02/03/08


Do you need any more straws? Point proven, Bailey has a track record when it comes to his reputation and an incident involving Graham is more surprising as it is out of character. Is that in plain english enough for you or is it still a little bit too difficult you to understand??


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I have absolutely no idea what this has got to do with anything but in answer to your question, yes, I had a great time at the Grand Final as a guest of Engage. I had a fantastic meal in the exec box and great seats to watch the game.....but then I guess you would already know that.

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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:28 am  
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I prefer to wait until the verdict has been announced by the NRL before condemning someone when the evidence provided is in fact inconclusive. Unlike you and some others, I have no wish to be part of the lynch mob.


I think you are being far to sensitive and protective! are you telling me of all the live games you have been to you have never shouted high tackle or trip ref! that is making a judgement on what you have seen! You are being emotive with the use of lynch mob.

What is good these days is that most games are filmed even when not on TV, but being such an high profile final there would be camera's at all angles, with video you can watch over and over again and it looks highly suspicious when you look at Graham's face and the anger with his mouth open and going towards Slater's ear.

Are you saying then when Slater went to the referee and showed the blood coming from his ear he had made it up? to get a fellow professional into very serious trouble.

We are not judge and jury, that will be decided Thursday this week, but the evidence does not look good but that is just opinion and forums like this have plenty of that whatever you may thing. It just shocks me with James Graham.
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:37 am  
Jammer is doomed, he will either need telepathic control of the judiciary or the services of Johnnie Cochrane. I mean I think he's probably one of the best players in the world, but there really is no defence to what was on the video!
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:33 am  
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Jammer is doomed, he will either need telepathic control of the judiciary or the services of Johnnie Cochrane. I mean I think he's probably one of the best players in the world, but there really is no defence to what was on the video!
It has to be the Chewbacca defense then, doesn't it?
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:47 pm  
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Ryans appearances before the RFL disciplinary since 2008 including intentional striking with the elbow, striking with the knees and a physical assault on a referee.

ON/748/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Catalans v Leeds 21/09/12
ON/662/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Catalan v Leeds 18/08/12
ON/588/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull KR v Leeds 05/08/12
ON/589/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Hull KR v Leeds 05/08/12
ON/543/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Bradford 20/07/12
ON/423/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Wigan 01/06/12
ON/387/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v St Helens 21/05/12
ON/121/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Warrington 09/03/12
ON/27/12 Ryan Bailey Leeds Wigan v Leeds 11/02/12
ON/922/11 Ryan Bailey Leeds Huddersfield v Leeds 23/09/11
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ON/14/09 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds-v-Wakefield 13/02/09
ON/686/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds v Wigan 26/09/08
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ON/326/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds V Wigan 31/05/08
ON/329/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Leeds V Wigan 31/05/08
ON/114/08 Ryan Bailey Leeds Castleford v Leeds 07/03/08


James Graham over the same period, dissent, dangerous tackle and a strike with the forearm where he was considered not guilty - it was a different St Helens player.

ON/841/11 James Graham St Helens St Helens v Salford 02/09/11
ON/310/08 James Graham & Chris Flannery St Helens Hull V St Helens 24/05/08
ON/97/08 James Graham St Helens St Helens v Wakefield 02/03/08



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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:26 pm  
For those of you who think I'm just arguing for the sake of it (ie most of you), take a look at this report.

Could it possibly be that Slater is telling porkies?
For those of you who think I'm just arguing for the sake of it (ie most of you), take a look at this report.

Could it possibly be that Slater is telling porkies?
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Re: GOOD LUCK JAMES GRAHAM : Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:02 pm  
SaintsFan wrote:
For those of you who think I'm just arguing for the sake of it (ie most of you), take a look at this report.

Could it possibly be that Slater is telling porkies?



IMO unless the is clear footage of James Graham with slaters ear between his teeth then graham can't be found guilty.

The has to be clear evidence of a bite!

I can also see why billy slater had wanted to stay away from the incident, I think he Made the allegation in the heat of the moment and probably thought about it after the game and decided to leave it on the field.
SaintsFan wrote:
For those of you who think I'm just arguing for the sake of it (ie most of you), take a look at this report.

Could it possibly be that Slater is telling porkies?



IMO unless the is clear footage of James Graham with slaters ear between his teeth then graham can't be found guilty.

The has to be clear evidence of a bite!

I can also see why billy slater had wanted to stay away from the incident, I think he Made the allegation in the heat of the moment and probably thought about it after the game and decided to leave it on the field.
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