Re: nice n easy.... : Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:13 pm  

What a boring debate this is...

Wire fan: 'Getting beat in the GF is just first loser'

Saints fan: 'At least we got there'

Well obviously the two sets of fans are going to have differing viewpoints!!

ATEOTD I'd take contesting Grand Finals and losing than going out pathetically in the play-offs year on year. We play the regular rounds for one reason: to get to OT and have that chance to win that one off game.

Re: nice n easy.... : Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:58 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

What the **** has that got to do with anything? Warrington are a class apart from Saints at the moment and only a fool could argue otherwise. Our only hope of beating you in the playoffs is if you freeze again.

The point actually being made is simply that, in my opinion, our starting 10 forwards are marginally superior to yours. Not by much, but marginally. This is evidenced by the fact that we are likely to finish comfortably 3rd and at absolute bare minimum 4th despite having no halves, no gameplan besides barge x 5 + aimless kick, no kicking game and a barely adequate 3/4 line - our pack has carried us to that position by more or less exclusively one-up, one-man rugby the whole season and beaten everyone doing so except for you and the Pies. If that doesn't prove the strength of our pack as a unit then I struggle to see what would...

you used the "form is temporary, class is permanent" angle. So it has alot to do with it. I understand your opinion a bit more that you feel your pack as a unit is better, which you're fully entitled too. My point is and I think you would agree if you were being totally honest is that not many of your forwards would get into a Wire seventeen.

Re: nice n easy.... : Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:22 am  

Wollyhood wrote:

you used the "form is temporary, class is permanent" angle. So it has alot to do with it. I understand your opinion a bit more that you feel your pack as a unit is better, which you're fully entitled too. My point is and I think you would agree if you were being totally honest is that not many of your forwards would get into a Wire seventeen.

Saints have some very good forwards when looking at them as individuals/on paper, that's why we roll over lesser teams so easily. The problem is our application at the moment against teams that combine game plan with an increased motivation.

I've no doubt that players in the saints squad would be perfectly capable of swapping into the wire squad and performing just as well as your guys. Your club's just in a better place at the moment on the field.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: nice n easy.... : Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:07 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Saints have some very good forwards when looking at them as individuals/on paper, that's why we roll over lesser teams so easily. The problem is our application at the moment against teams that combine game plan with an increased motivation.

I've no doubt that players in the saints squad would be perfectly capable of swapping into the wire squad and performing just as well as your guys. Your club's just in a better place at the moment on the field.

Stop being so sensible!!!

Don't you know this is a cock eyed debate about who's got the best 6 or 10 at the moment? If your 'losing' then you introduce the GF/Play Off v CC arguement and if your still looking for reassurance then you can throw in something from left field, "our stadium cladding is better than your cladding"

Re: nice n easy.... : Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:32 am  

Uncle Rico wrote:

"our stadium cl*dd*ng is better than your cl*dd*ng"

Don't mention the C word around here else a meltdown may start.

Re: nice n easy.... : Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:44 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Saints have some very good forwards when looking at them as individuals/on paper, that's why we roll over lesser teams so easily. The problem is our application at the moment against teams that combine game plan with an increased motivation.

I've no doubt that players in the saints squad would be perfectly capable of swapping into the wire squad and performing just as well as your guys. Your club's just in a better place at the moment on the field.

Absolutely what I was saying, minus my trademark baiting and sarcasm naturally

Our forwards are playing on the back foot every time in the big games due to the sorry mess our team selection, coaching, organisation and tactics are in at the moment. They have been made to look a bit second rate against Wire and Wigan each time this season because of it. But swap most of our 10 into the current Wigan and Wire setups and they'd look like worldbeaters. Put Carvell and Westwood into the current Saints setup and they'd look like one-dimensional one-up plodders.

Re: nice n easy.... : Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:00 pm  

I wonder whether Oxford Exile will be popping back to post on this thread tonight...

Re: nice n easy.... : Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:30 pm  

Harry Pinner wrote:

I wonder whether Oxford Exile will be popping back to post on this thread tonight...

Ironically enough the thread title is "nice n easy..." it was - for London!

Re: nice n easy.... : Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:25 am  

I went, it was obvious to most there that the players didn't want to get physical and risk injury, didn't seem bothered at all, to be honest very few fans gave a poop.

Re: nice n easy.... : Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:14 am  

Supreme Saint wrote:

Ironically enough the thread title is "nice n easy..." it was - for London!

And we had EIGHT Regular first team players missing as well in the London side!