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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:55 pm  
Mugwump wrote:
Poor Royce - there really is no way he can win here.

If Saints improve - it's because of KC & Rush.
If Saints get worse - we're still better off under KC & Rush because Royce would have made an even bigger mess.


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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:59 pm  
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What amazes me is that a club like saints, with mickey poor attendances, can afford to consistently finish near the top of the table and get to finals. Compared to clubs like Wigan, Leeds, hull and Warrington with a sugar daddy, we have done remarkably well. I am amazed at dreamers who think we can magic players out of ruin air with very limited funds. Some people really do live in cloud cuckoo land.


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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:15 pm  
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YAY! Let's turn ignorance into a virtue and have ourselves a big ol' hoedown!
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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:25 pm  
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YAY! Let's turn ignorance into a virtue and have ourselves a big ol' hoedown!



No, lets all lose our sense of humour and take everything serious.
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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:31 pm  
Brown needs to let the player know who the boss is the player have had to much power under potter and Simmons
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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:38 pm  
1984saints wrote:
Brown needs to let the player know who the boss is the player have had to much power under potter and Simmons

whats your evidence of this?
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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:41 pm  
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whats your evidence of this?

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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:43 pm  
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Brown needs to let the player know who the boss is the player have had to much power under potter and Simmons



I don't think Brown is sort of coach to take any crap, ask Trent barret.
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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:43 pm  
saint at wire wrote:I don't think for a minute that we don't spend up to the cap, but you are ignoring up front cash fees including golden handshakes and transfer fees which we cannot afford.


Mugwump"]How do you know anyone else affords such?


Warrington and Hull to name two seem to be affording it at the moment with their benefactors. The SC isn't the b all and end all, there are other monetary considerations such as golden hello's paid into pension pots etc.

Quote:But the math isn't complicated 5 kids = 2 superstars in terms of salaries etc. The only way we could afford big signings would be to have a very thin squad in terms of no's and strength in depth.


Well, the math certainly isn't complicated when you boil it down to the above. Whether this bears any relation to reality I have no idea. I mean, a "kid" can be 18 or he can be 21. I doubt 10 kids age 18 would add up to one superstar's wage. The truth is more complicated.


I have no problem with this observation; I was illustrating a point about the SC - you can either have a smaller no of superstars and a more strength in depth or more superstars and less able replacements (e.g. journeymen).

Quote:In previous years, we would not have coped with the loss of key players as well as we are doing now IMO.

Which previous years? And in case you haven't realised we're not coping all that well now.


I did use IMO! But I think you will find we will cope OK tomorrow without Wilkin, Lomas, Makinson and Gaskell at least two can be classed automatic 1st choice. In the past we have struggled when Long and/or The king were out.

Quote:McManus warned only yesterday the perils of SL finances

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480

I believe we were only 1 or 2 years away from beng a bradford basket case until the new stadium and the re-financing came along. IF we show a profit this year (the first in over 10 years?) he might loosen up the purse strings a bit.

I'm perfectly well aware that SL's finances are worrying. But again - it is McManus who has driven this - not the fans. If we had money worries he could quite easily have come clean, publicly tightened the purse strings and the fans would be ok. Sure, you'd lose a few glory hunters and such but the core fan base - provided they aren't lied to - would be accepting.


The accounts are in the public domain and when they are released each year, there is a thread on here as well as lots of (largely negative) comments on sporting life and in league express. Admittedly McManus put a brave face on it but what else could he do? With our then crowds and an old stadium the writing was clearly on the wall.
The last three years losses were £449K, £862K & £1385K. It is not suprising we were not signing players on with big up front fees.

My real point is that this should now be behind us; The balance sheet has been restructured, the club refincned, all external debt paid off, crowds up around 40% (?) and catering and hospitality income way up.
I think you will see us "buying big" next year. Fingers crossed.
saint at wire wrote:I don't think for a minute that we don't spend up to the cap, but you are ignoring up front cash fees including golden handshakes and transfer fees which we cannot afford.


Mugwump"]How do you know anyone else affords such?


Warrington and Hull to name two seem to be affording it at the moment with their benefactors. The SC isn't the b all and end all, there are other monetary considerations such as golden hello's paid into pension pots etc.

Quote:But the math isn't complicated 5 kids = 2 superstars in terms of salaries etc. The only way we could afford big signings would be to have a very thin squad in terms of no's and strength in depth.


Well, the math certainly isn't complicated when you boil it down to the above. Whether this bears any relation to reality I have no idea. I mean, a "kid" can be 18 or he can be 21. I doubt 10 kids age 18 would add up to one superstar's wage. The truth is more complicated.


I have no problem with this observation; I was illustrating a point about the SC - you can either have a smaller no of superstars and a more strength in depth or more superstars and less able replacements (e.g. journeymen).

Quote:In previous years, we would not have coped with the loss of key players as well as we are doing now IMO.

Which previous years? And in case you haven't realised we're not coping all that well now.


I did use IMO! But I think you will find we will cope OK tomorrow without Wilkin, Lomas, Makinson and Gaskell at least two can be classed automatic 1st choice. In the past we have struggled when Long and/or The king were out.

Quote:McManus warned only yesterday the perils of SL finances

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480

I believe we were only 1 or 2 years away from beng a bradford basket case until the new stadium and the re-financing came along. IF we show a profit this year (the first in over 10 years?) he might loosen up the purse strings a bit.

I'm perfectly well aware that SL's finances are worrying. But again - it is McManus who has driven this - not the fans. If we had money worries he could quite easily have come clean, publicly tightened the purse strings and the fans would be ok. Sure, you'd lose a few glory hunters and such but the core fan base - provided they aren't lied to - would be accepting.


The accounts are in the public domain and when they are released each year, there is a thread on here as well as lots of (largely negative) comments on sporting life and in league express. Admittedly McManus put a brave face on it but what else could he do? With our then crowds and an old stadium the writing was clearly on the wall.
The last three years losses were £449K, £862K & £1385K. It is not suprising we were not signing players on with big up front fees.

My real point is that this should now be behind us; The balance sheet has been restructured, the club refincned, all external debt paid off, crowds up around 40% (?) and catering and hospitality income way up.
I think you will see us "buying big" next year. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Nathan Brown's list of priorities : Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:22 pm  
saint at wire wrote:
The accounts are in the public domain and when they are released each year, there is a thread on here as well as lots of (largely negative) comments on sporting life and in league express. Admittedly McManus put a brave face on it but what else could he do? With our then crowds and an old stadium the writing was clearly on the wall.

The last three years losses were £449K, £862K & £1385K. It is not suprising we were not signing players on with big up front fees.


I'm perfectly aware of Saints financial position. It doesn't take a genius to realise without McManus and company the writing is on the wall. But none of this is relevant to the contradiction posed by our obvious lack of strength and McManus repeatedly claiming we are maxed out on the cap. If we take McManus at face value then it raises important questions about the wisdom of our recruitment dealings (or lack thereof).

My real point is that this should now be behind us; The balance sheet has been restructured, the club refincned, all external debt paid off, crowds up around 40% (?) and catering and hospitality income way up.
I think you will see us "buying big" next year. Fingers crossed.


Clubs are always "buying big" next season. Haven't you heard? We've got Jamie Lyon's signature in the bag.
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