Re: Full Back : Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:21 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

To be fair Gaskell and Lomax were not the reason we did not win the GF. Even if Gaskell had got that right, it would not have stopped Shentons elbow dislocating, leading to the Meli Sia partnership that just gave Leeds the green light to attack attack attack.

Spot on.

Re: Full Back : Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:31 am  

I think the inexperience of both Gaskell and Lomax did cost us in the GF last year, but that's what you get with having two inexperienced half backs and as long as they learn from it then there's no problem. It's probably also the reason that Hohaia was brought in, to give us some experience. It's just getting the balance right between the three, and at the moment Lomax and Hohaia are too similar to play together for me.

Having said that, I don't go against the argument that Shenton getting injured was a major part of that defeat.

Re: Full Back : Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:59 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

I think the inexperience of both Gaskell and Lomax did cost us in the GF last year, but that's what you get with having two inexperienced half backs and as long as they learn from it then there's no problem. It's probably also the reason that Hohaia was brought in, to give us some experience. It's just getting the balance right between the three, and at the moment Lomax and Hohaia are too similar to play together for me.

Having said that, I don't go against the argument that Shenton getting injured was a major part of that defeat.

Agree entirely, and we still havn,t really got a team leader in the calibre of Joynt, Sculthorpe or Cunningham, this is one of our major concerns. We might have the talent in the team but some games we will be playing like headless chickens.

Re: Full Back : Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:19 pm  

I'm shocked how one persons posts on this thread (Lyono) can turn our support so sour. I don't think we can or should blame losing the GF on Lomax and Gaskell, I think that's absolutely ridiculous and deluded. If memory serves, Rugby Leaguer/League Express gave Gaskell Saints MOM for his part in the GF.
If anyone can dispute that Gaskell's appearance, and the subsequent turn around of the game against Widnes had nothing to do with him, then IMO they have something personal against him.
Come on Saints, most fans are behind you and can't wait to see our young talent come into their own. Hotel booked for next weekend and I cannot wait for kickoff to the season.

Re: Full Back : Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:32 pm  

Tiptop Saint wrote:

I'm shocked how one persons posts on this thread (Lyono) can turn our support so sour. I don't think we can or should blame losing the GF on Lomax and Gaskell, I think that's absolutely ridiculous and deluded. If memory serves, Rugby Leaguer/League Express gave Gaskell Saints MOM for his part in the GF.
If anyone can dispute that Gaskell's appearance, and the subsequent turn around of the game against Widnes had nothing to do with him, then IMO they have something personal against him.
Come on Saints, most fans are behind you and can't wait to see our young talent come into their own. Hotel booked for next weekend and I cannot wait for kickoff to the season.

Its the old talent im worried about, We'll persist with Wello at full back when its doubtful if he's even our 3rd best option there. We'll put Lance and Lomax in the halves when Lomax and Gaskell ripped into every team last year.
Either have Lomax at 1, Lance and gaskell at 6/7
or Makinson 1, Lomax and Gaskell 6/7 and Lance as impact hooker with Robes switching to effectively a creative loose forward.

Re: Full Back : Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:35 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Its the old talent im worried about, We'll persist with Wello at full back when its doubtful if he's even our 3rd best option there. We'll put Lance and Lomax in the halves when Lomax and Gaskell ripped into every team last year.
Either have Lomax at 1, Lance and gaskell at 6/7
or Makinson 1, Lomax and Gaskell 6/7 and Lance as impact hooker with Robes switching to effectively a creative loose forward.

I'm holding back a little for now, see what next weeks game brings about.....

Re: Full Back : Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:17 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

We'll put Lance and Lomax in the halves when Lomax and Gaskell ripped into every team last year.

A ridiculous exaggeration - Gaskell looked like a rabbit in headlights (as was only to be expected to be fair) for most of the season while Lomax only sporadically looked good at #7, particularly against the top teams where he usually frankly looked out of his depth. Both are young players with a lot of potential and quite likely to form a good HB partnership as the months/years go on, but they are far from the nailed on certainties at #6 and #7 that some seem to think that they already are.

Re: Full Back : Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:10 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

A ridiculous exaggeration - Gaskell looked like a rabbit in headlights (as was only to be expected to be fair) for most of the season while Lomax only sporadically looked good at #7, particularly against the top teams where he usually frankly looked out of his depth.

You're right, that is a ridiculous exaggeration. Whilst they may have had moments when their youth was exposed, they, especially Lomax, were a joy to watch last year.

Re: Full Back : Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:33 pm  

No Gaskell Lomax combination, No win verse Wigan.

Simple as.

Re: Full Back : Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:46 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

No Gaskell Lomax combination, No win verse Wigan.

Simple as.

yup, thats about the truth of it