Re: Salary cap amendment : Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:20 pm  

The only real thing wrong thing about this new rule is that wigan have come out and informed us about it.

Ineptness of the highest order from the RFL, letting people find out about it via a new contract for sam tomkins and a direct quote from IL.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:31 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

Ineptness of the highest order from the RFL, letting people find out about it via a new contract for sam tomkins and a direct quote from IL.

Ineptness from the RFL that they allowed Wigan to do this. But then, the RFL is inept in so many ways.

I wonder what all the other 'stakeholders' think of this decision? It's going to make a nightmare out of contract negotiations.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:55 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Ineptness from the RFL that they allowed Wigan to do this. But then, the RFL is inept in so many ways.

I wonder what all the other 'stakeholders' think of this decision? It's going to make a nightmare out of contract negotiations.

i think this has been agreed with the other clubs.... i just think its a ridiculous way for fans to find out about it.

Totally agree on the contract negotiations.... all the top level players will be looking at tomkins salary and thinking 'i fancy some of that'

Also.....I wonder how all these arrogant aussie players are going to react to being paid less than an english player in an 'inferior' league.

deffo going to be some interesting developments regarding salaries over the next few years.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:37 am  

I think we will see many junior players who rate themselves much better than they really are at this stage throwing their dummies out of the pram and threats to go to Union! Still can't work out were all the extra money will come from? no announcement yet of a Super League sponsor for 2012?

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:45 am  

jaybs wrote:

I think we will see many junior players who rate themselves much better than they really are at this stage throwing their dummies out of the pram and threats to go to Union! Still can't work out were all the extra money will come from? no announcement yet of a Super League sponsor for 2012?

Somebody told me last week that it is going to be Heinz, and that it wouldn't be announced until after the four nations had finished.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:57 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Somebody told me last week that it is going to be Heinz, and that it wouldn't be announced until after the four nations had finished.

Conflict of interests perhaps, given they are also a commercial partner of Wigan?

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Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:24 am  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

The timing of the rule change is a major issue for me (I'm presuming it's only just been introduced, rather than all the other SL clubs choosing not to take advantage of it until now). Off the top of my head:

Saints have lost Graham and Eastmond, both of whom are homegrown and both of whom could be considered marquee players.

Salford have lost Ratchford. Homegrown and, you could argue, was Salford's top player and therefore 'marquee'.

I'm sure the ability to chuck more money at these players to persuade them to re-sign with their respective clubs would have been welcomed. Maybe they'd have gone anyway.
Maybe not; money talks, ask Joel.

And Sam, for that matter... all this talk of loyalty, but it takes a new rule allowing him to earn record breaking amounts of cash to persuade him to stick out an extra 3 years (for which he was already contracted).

As I said earlier in this thread, the timing could have been much earlier than that. We've lost Robinson (some time ago), Farrell , Ashton & Thornley in recent history. This rule has had to come in at some point but most peoples problem seems to be it benefitted Wigan. If this rule had been suggested by Saints when Eastmond was on the move, then people would have complained that it didn't help Ashton. Unfortunately at some point something has changed. Wigan have suggested it, The RFL hadn't though of it but liked the idea and it has to be cleared with other clubs before it can be brought in. It has been brought in so clearly the clubs think it's a worthwhile route to take.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:30 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Conflict of interests perhaps, given they are also a commercial partner of Wigan?

I don't see a conflict of interest at all - Wigan clearly run the league already so why not formalise the arrangement by having them and their partners officially sponsoring it?

I can't believe how incredibly angry this has made me - it was bad enough them allegedly being allowed to sign that Welsh RU has-been off cap, but this is just a whole new level of disgusting unfairness... All my enthusiasm for the new season/stadium has been utterly blown out of the water now...

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:34 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

I don't see a conflict of interest at all - Wigan clearly run the league already so why not formalise the arrangement by having them and their partners officially sponsoring it?

I can't believe how incredibly angry this has made me - it was bad enough them allegedly being allowed to sign that Welsh RU has-been off cap, but this is just a whole new level of disgusting unfairness... All my enthusiasm for the new season/stadium has been utterly blown out of the water now...

It depends what happens now. If it's a one off for Wigan to keep Tomkins in the sport I don't agree with it at all. If it's something the other clubs have voted in favour of and have been consulted on, then we can't really complain too much.

I suspect however that rather than the other clubs announcing how they'll benefit from the change and what they will do with it, that it will just go quiet. Wigan will benefit but no one else will and they'll spend £100k more than anyone else, which is how they have always wanted it to be.

What annoys me though is Leneghan's comments today about how Wigan now have enough room for a £100,000+ NRL centre. Although he said they don't want one, you get the feeling that's only because there are no decent player available due to the timing of it.

A salary cap ammendment that enables British young players to stay in the sport is good, but it shouldn't be a loophole that enables clubs to add further overseas players.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:54 am  

Wigan were also the first club to get prize money for winning the league leaders shield.