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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:07 pm  
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That was the point I made, if he is that rich then it isn't a problem to him. The more people we can get to invest in the game the better, but the terms need to be right.

One of the problems that occurred at Wigan was that at least one of the directors decided to "call in" his loan.


I think we can call it a contribution more than a loan. A quick bit of google research pulls up that the company Mike Coleman runs with his business partner Doug King is currently controlling $2.3Billon worth of assets. Somebody that runs a company that size surely must have a substanstial amount to blow for pleasure purposes.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:18 pm  
Looking good for a new Saints legacy over the next few years. We have the facilities now, we have the youngsters coming through, and we have some good signings coming over. We just have to get the GF hoodoo of our backs now, and I could see this club becoming dominant once again.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:38 pm  
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Looking good for a new Saints legacy over the next few years. We have the facilities now, we have the youngsters coming through, and we have some good signings coming over. We just have to get the GF hoodoo of our backs now, and I could see this club becoming dominant once again.


:lol:

We are missing the top level players that we always had. Long, Sculthorpe, Cunningham, Lyon etc were all a level above their peers when we won Grand Finals. We don't have that anymore.

I'm not saying trophies are an impossibility, but domination is not possible with the squad we'll have next year.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:23 pm  
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We are missing the top level players that we always had. Long, Sculthorpe, Cunningham, Lyon etc were all a level above their peers when we won Grand Finals. We don't have that anymore..

You're assuming we won't have top level players ever again Saddened. The beauty about having very young players is that they could be top level but we don't know it yet because they are noobs. And we have some talent in the junior ranks too. I think it's all quite exciting.

This year we were the closest we have been in five to winning the GF, with injuries undoing us just as they have done all season. Hopefully our conditioning regime will improve next season so that we can field a strong team for the majority of games. I wouldn't be so quick to write us off.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:39 pm  
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You're assuming we won't have top level players ever again Saddened. The beauty about having very young players is that they could be top level but we don't know it yet because they are noobs. And we have some talent in the junior ranks too. I think it's all quite exciting.

This year we were the closest we have been in five to winning the zGF, with injuries undoing us just as they have done all season. Hopefully our conditioning regime will improve next season so that we can field a strong team for the majority of games. I wouldn't be so quick to write us off.


I am on a three year streak now in my season predictions. People think I'm slightly negative but I'm consistently right.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:29 pm  
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AI am on a three year streak now in my season predictions. People think I'm slightly negative but I'm consistently right.



Depends on what prediction you are refering to. I seam to recall you saying we would not make top three and that we would not make the GF. And that next season we'll be outside the top four. Not sure what your prediction was for CC.

If the prediction you are quoting is simply that we wont win the GF. Thats not exactly tipping against the odds. Most teams wont win the GF.

But in terms of other predictions made I think you were on shall we say the glass half empty side of the fence.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:10 pm  
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I'm slightly negative


No poop Sherlock :lol:
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:23 pm  
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I think we can call it a contribution more than a loan. A quick bit of google research pulls up that the company Mike Coleman runs with his business partner Doug King is currently controlling $2.3Billon worth of assets. Somebody that runs a company that size surely must have a substanstial amount to blow for pleasure purposes.


I don't think he has blown it at all. He is a fantastic saints fan but he hasn't donated £6M for no return. He has a loan which is likely to be very favourable to Saints but it will not be interest free. He also has a £3M bond which will have a coupon/interest rate - again probably very low but he has the option at some stage to convert this into shares.

In 2010, as a measure of their commitment to Saints some £725K of directors loans were converted to shares at a value of £15.15 per share and assuming the most recent £850K loan was converted at the same rate this would mean 56,105 new shares with the balance to share premium, giving a current share capital of 331,938.

If Mike Coleman is able to convert at the same conversion rate is he could end up the proud owner of an additional 198,000 shares to go with 4950 shares he is getting from his part in the directors' loan conversions. If this is the scenario he is on tract to own around 38.3% which given his commitment he would fully deserve!
The other good thing would be that as the biggest shareholder (Mac and family would be diluted to around 15% of the club) Mike Coleman unlikely to want to call in his £3M loan as would owe it largely to himself. :P

I would also like to make the point that we should also thank the other directors who converted their loans to shares; Fergus Lyons, Andrew Bell and Kevin Marren. :BOW: :BOW:

One other thing is the questions earlier in this thread about whether this new debt is additional or replacement, the answer appears to be without much doubt that it is replacing existing debt. This is shown as £850K of directors debt is being converted into shares and Mac's statement that there will be NO bank debt. The ONLY other debt is the remains of an old brewery loan of only £8K.

It does transform our balance sheet as will the stadium asset. This fantastic gesture by Mike Coleman and his fellow directors gives the club real stability which few if any other clubs have.
It s now up to Saints fans everywhere to repay this vote of confidence by buying season tickets where they can and for those who can't coming ot as many home games as possible.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:02 am  
Who owns the stadium? If its you why do you need a 999 year lease on it?
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:44 am  
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Who owns the stadium? If its you why do you need a 999 year lease on it?

oh god, not again! google "leasehold"
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