Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:16 pm  

Lance sounds ok anyway http://m.skysports.com/article/rugbyleague//9514292

Lance sounds ok anyway http://m.skysports.com/article/rugbyleague//9514292

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:36 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

If Flower is available I reckon Mose will stampede all over him come Good Friday.

He's more likely to be on the pitch than Mosoe. In his first stint, the fat muppet lasted about 9 minutes before being subbed off in the final. That must be some kind of record.

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:54 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

He's more likely to be on the pitch than Mosoe. In his first stint, the fat muppet lasted about 9 minutes before being subbed off in the final. That must be some kind of record.

You really are a porcupine aren't you!!!!

No swearing please!

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:58 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

You really are a porcupine aren't you!!!!

No swearing please!

Yes, I'm a massive porcupine.

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:02 pm  

Firstly, as has been recognised, some of the comments from Wigan fans (and it seems to be exclusively Wigan fans) that Lance instigated it, is laughable. Flower clobbered Lance from behind, off the ball, on the 20 metre line and ran away. Flower then had possession of the ball and Lance made a run for Flower to retaliate the original cowardly attack. Should Lance have retaliated? Probably not - but there is not a single player on the pitch who would have ignored being whacked from behind for no reason. Lance was guilty of human instinct. Flower then punched Lance for retaliating, and then smacked him again when he was defenceless on the floor. Lance has no case to answer, whereas Flower is facing months and months on the sideline.

Secondly, the fact Shaun Wane has come out and defended Flower is disgusting. Flower should and will get a lengthy ban, and rightfully so. Wane saying Flower was in the wrong, but that the club will 'stand by him' shows the integrity of Wigan rugby club. They should distance themselves from his actions and hand a club ban for him. Take Man Utds stance when Cantona lost his head - the club banned him before the FA did. That sent out a message that the club would not stand for anything that puts the name of the club into disrepute.

Thirdly, I'm sure we've all seen the video of Wane in the dressing room by now. That video needs to go viral, as it goes a long way to explain why Flower did what he did. Wane states 'lets knock people out, cause mayhem. We need to be reckless as that is how we're going to win next week'. Well, it seems Flower was only taking orders from the thug who is in charge. Is it really Ben Flower who lost the Grand Final for Wigan, or was it their naughty person coach? Either way, 'being reckless is how we'll win' backfired majorly, and I think Wane needs to make a personal apology, instead of hiding behind the apology of Flower and Wigan.

One final point, is people saying Wigan would have won had the incident not happened. Although we'll never know, and its hard to disagree with that, people are forgetting that Lance never returned. Lance was our ONLY half back last night, and even then some would argue he isn't actually a halfback. Although we always had a man extra on the field, for the remaining 78 minutes it was 16v16, and they had two more half backs that we did. We had to make do with a second rower and a three quarter playing in the two most important positions on the field - and to cope with that responsbility, against a Wigan side who not only didn't give up, but who were meant to win comfortably, proves that Saints are worthy Champions.

You don't finish top of the league and win the Grand Final by accident.

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:15 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

He's more likely to be on the pitch than Mosoe. In his first stint, the fat muppet lasted about 9 minutes before being subbed off in the final. That must be some kind of record.

He was took off as he'd lost his cool. If Mose had done something straight after Flower then your ref would have tried to square it up.

Good management IMO. Good controlled aggression was needed and that's what won us the game and unfortunately for you Wigan was just revved up foaming at the mouth out if control thugs.

" that's why we're champions"

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:36 pm  

rammsteinbloke wrote:

Firstly, as has been recognised, some of the comments from Wigan fans (and it seems to be exclusively Wigan fans) that Lance instigated it, is laughable. Flower clobbered Lance from behind, off the ball, on the 20 metre line and ran away. Flower then had possession of the ball and Lance made a run for Flower to retaliate the original cowardly attack. Should Lance have retaliated? Probably not - but there is not a single player on the pitch who would have ignored being whacked from behind for no reason. Lance was guilty of human instinct. Flower then punched Lance for retaliating, and then smacked him again when he was defenceless on the floor. Lance has no case to answer, whereas Flower is facing months and months on the sideline.

Secondly, the fact Shaun Wane has come out and defended Flower is disgusting. Flower should and will get a lengthy ban, and rightfully so. Wane saying Flower was in the wrong, but that the club will 'stand by him' shows the integrity of Wigan rugby club. They should distance themselves from his actions and hand a club ban for him. Take Man Utds stance when Cantona lost his head - the club banned him before the FA did. That sent out a message that the club would not stand for anything that puts the name of the club into disrepute.

Thirdly, I'm sure we've all seen the video of Wane in the dressing room by now. That video needs to go viral, as it goes a long way to explain why Flower did what he did. Wane states 'lets knock people out, cause mayhem. We need to be reckless as that is how we're going to win next week'. Well, it seems Flower was only taking orders from the thug who is in charge. Is it really Ben Flower who lost the Grand Final for Wigan, or was it their naughty person coach? Either way, 'being reckless is how we'll win' backfired majorly, and I think Wane needs to make a personal apology, instead of hiding behind the apology of Flower and Wigan.

One final point, is people saying Wigan would have won had the incident not happened. Although we'll never know, and its hard to disagree with that, people are forgetting that Lance never returned. Lance was our ONLY half back last night, and even then some would argue he isn't actually a halfback. Although we always had a man extra on the field, for the remaining 78 minutes it was 16v16, and they had two more half backs that we did. We had to make do with a second rower and a three quarter playing in the two most important positions on the field - and to cope with that responsbility, against a Wigan side who not only didn't give up, but who were meant to win comfortably, proves that Saints are worthy Champions.

You don't finish top of the league and win the Grand Final by accident.

Where can I access the video of Wane in the dressing room. Info please.

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:38 pm  

redex113 wrote: Where can I access the video of Wane in the dressing room. Info please. http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... down-under

redex113 wrote: Where can I access the video of Wane in the dressing room. Info please. http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... down-under

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:40 pm  

redex113 wrote: Where can I access the video of Wane in the dressing room. Info please. Not sure if this link will work on the forum, but this is the Facebook post where I first saw it: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=938394902841628&set=vb.100000133821772&type=2&theater

redex113 wrote: Where can I access the video of Wane in the dressing room. Info please. Not sure if this link will work on the forum, but this is the Facebook post where I first saw it: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=938394902841628&set=vb.100000133821772&type=2&theater

Re: Disgusting verminous cowardly scum : Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:53 pm  

Just looking at RFL sentencing guidelines, which they have to stick to, the only thing he can be charged with is Punching, repeated, aggressive, sustained, which is a grade E offence carrying a ban of 4-8 matches.

I'm not sure they have any further powers to ban him for any longer unless they use the catch all "behaves in away that is contrary to the trus spirit of the game" which is a grade A-F, which carries 8+ matches.

Putting aside the injury to lance and the negative connotations the incident had on young players watching the game there are surely other factors the RFL have to consider before charging him.

Is that long enough considering the eyes of the world were watching that game last night? It is argued we may never appreciate the impact on the sport through potential lost sponsorships from companies now not wanting to be associated with such a violent act. I hate Wigan as much as any saints fan, but this is also about the integrity of the sport too.

That said, the RFL should on the other hand also offer support to Flower during the ban because this is exactly the kind of incident that can wreck a career and then affect someone in a serious manner. We strongly dislike what he has done and certainly don't condone his actions, but the last thing we need is another terry newton situation.