[Uncle Rico]

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:44 pm  

barry1982 wrote:

Bad bad day at the office , mickey poor team , only good thing we got going for us is warrington are a mickey poor team with halfs

If that's the "only good thing" you've "got going for you" then I really despair Barry...what a top post

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:49 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

We had Walsh, Lance, Wheeler and Lomax goinmg into the year to cover the halves.

Walsh and Lomax are out for the season, the club's faith in Wheeler has proven misplaced and Lance is rubbish.

Without a trophy for 6 years perhaps, we may be a week away from one which is closer than we were last year. A few sensible signings and we'll be stronger again.

There's no point extrapolating the last six years and saying last night was the culmination - this season has been a step forward in repairing the squad, next year should be a further step.

I don't think we have improved at all, except that when Walsh is on the pitch we can play some glorious rugby league and our wingers actually get some ball.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:06 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I don't think we have improved at all, except that when Walsh is on the pitch we can play some glorious rugby league and our wingers actually get some ball.

So we haven't improved at all, except for a signing that improved us? Interesting.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:09 pm  

Blobbynator wrote:

Whilst these are all valid points, the lack of half backs wasn't really the reason for our defeat last night.

We completely got owned up the middle, the lack of commitment was alamring as was our attitude, and this has happened this season when Jonny Lomax, Jon Wilkin & Luke Walsh have been in the team.

That is the more worrying aspect than simply lacking in creativity.

I can't recall a collective unit of Saints players making so many basic errors with ball in hand, poor defensive reads and generally playing so dumb. It was horrendous to watch from start to finish.

Fully agree, I can accept the defeat with the missing players or when the opposition is the better team but not this lack of commitment or attitude to the red vee shirt.

Saddened and myself last season and early this season and probably some older fans where saying this current team is an Alien one and very un saints like, Potter and Simmons lost the heartbeat of the club and Brown has to retort with laid back excuses.

This current Jeckyll and Hyde team is baffling, mentally very weak and not willing to physically adjust when the going gets tough.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:31 pm  

I would be tempted to throw some young forwards back into the team. I can understand when Manu, Amor and others came back the young lads slipped down the pecking order. It's natural. But the young lads whilst not amazing going forwards, would have not been suckered in so many times like last night.

But who do you drop???

Everyone will have their favourite. LMS who has hit form. Mose who can be a wrecking ball when he's not a pudding. Amor possibly our best prop. Walmsley who makes great average gains.

For me I would drop Laffranchi. He does not seem to have added to the squad since coming back. I thought he would add some steal to the defense but actually it could be anyone there. I would also be tempted to drop one of Manu or Sia. Again both very good, but something seems not to be right.

I would not chop and change too much so maybe 2 forwards and let the backs try and recover some of their embarrassment. But doing nothing would indicate that it is acceptable if you are a big name to underperform and that is one thing we need to learn from Wigan. It's the performance not the name that matters when it comes to the big games.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:47 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

So we haven't improved at all, except for a signing that improved us? Interesting.

You may have noticed that the one signing who improved us isn't playing. Brown has had two seasons with the rest of them but they still don't look any better than they did last season. And that includes the games where we have been atrocious in spite of Walsh playing.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:00 pm  

barry1982 wrote:

Bad bad day at the office , mickey poor team , only good thing we got going for us is warrington are a mickey poor team with halfs

LOL.

I love such insightful analysis.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:09 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I would be tempted to throw some young forwards back into the team. I can understand when Manu, Amor and others came back the young lads slipped down the pecking order. It's natural. But the young lads whilst not amazing going forwards, would have not been suckered in so many times like last night.

But who do you drop???

Everyone will have their favourite. LMS who has hit form. Mose who can be a wrecking ball when he's not a pudding. Amor possibly our best prop. Walmsley who makes great average gains.

For me I would drop Laffranchi. He does not seem to have added to the squad since coming back. I thought he would add some steal to the defense but actually it could be anyone there. I would also be tempted to drop one of Manu or Sia. Again both very good, but something seems not to be right.

I would not chop and change too much so maybe 2 forwards and let the backs try and recover some of their embarrassment. But doing nothing would indicate that it is acceptable if you are a big name to underperform and that is one thing we need to learn from Wigan. It's the performance not the name that matters when it comes to the big games.

Who do we drop you ask. Well based on form, any of the forwards could be dropped. The last two weeks they have been fisted.

I wouldn't pick laffranchi again. He's not earned a spot, he offers nothing and he's not here next year.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:14 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I've no problem with calling the team performance poor. BUT.

There are a few on here who are plainly agenda driven. I've no time for that.

Why did Wheeler not play?? Well he had all those weeks to impress when Lance was out and impressed no one.

Yes that was my badly hidden agenda; but I still stick to my opinion; Wheeler should have played.
Hi Ho was awful last season and part of this and impressed no one, but we gave him other (several) chances.

This "new" system that NB has put in place seems to be play with one HB and hope the forwards will blast their way through. Pure genius.

Re: Shamefully bad : Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:39 pm  

It could have been a whole lot worse. They have never really nailed us! like 80 0 for example. A small club who have had a bit of glory with low class fans.