Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 1:07 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Whose to say Brown's stock won't collapse (like Justin Morgan or even Iain Millward) between now and then? We'd look pretty silly awaiting a coach no-one wants come the start of the year.

Although Nathan Brown is a good coach, i think some of the Saints fans are expecting the world back at thier feet with him. Huddersfield look un easy after loosing three on the trot. And i do not believe Brown will do much better than Rush with the current team you have.

It's going to be a tough few years before your come out of this current stage your going through. But it's a vital stage that you must carry out. Just like what happened to warriors before brian noble come along. Replacing the old experienced ones is a tough job!

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 3:00 pm  

This season was over the instant the players decided that they'd throw their weight around, get rid of the guy they didn't like and get a couple of their mates put in to run the show for the rest of the season instead. As out of his depth as he may have been, Simmons was clearly a lot more up to the task than Rush is now being shown up as being. If the players had just shut it and got on with the job they were paid for and acted in the best interests of the club and not their own and rode out the Simmons train for the rest of the season (galling though that may have been) then we might still have been in the fight this season. Once Simmons was forced out 1/4 of the way into the season with no permanent successor ever likely to be available until the end of the year we were always doomed to a season long trudge towards the end of the playoffs with no prospects beyond best-possible-situation damage limitation.

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 3:21 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

As out of his depth as he may have been, Simmons was clearly a lot more up to the task than Rush is now being shown up as being.

Yeah, Simmmons was on fire when we went 5 without a win, culminating in that "performance" against Bradford.

Clearly a better record than only losing to SL's table toppers, beating everyone else including the reigning SL champs comfortably twice and the reigning league leaders shield holders comfortably once.

Memories in sport are very short.

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 3:25 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Yeah, Simmmons was on fire when we went 5 without a win, culminating in that "performance" against Bradford.

Clearly a better record than only losing to SL's table toppers, beating everyone else including the reigning SL champs comfortably twice and the reigning league leaders shield holders comfortably once.

Memories in sport are very short.

Yes, because those performances would have had nothing at all to do with the players wanting to force Simmons out, would they?

Simmons was ****, but he got that same set of players (when they were putting in some effort for him) to (a couple of unlucky injuries excepted) a G/F win just half a dozen games previously. There's no reason we couldn't have been in the same position with him around again this season. With the current incumbents there's more chance of Englebert Humperdink winning at O/T now...

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 3:34 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Yes, because those performances would have had nothing at all to do with the players wanting to force Simmons out, would they?

so you agree they wouldn't have happened under Simmons, good good.

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Simmons was ****, but he got that same set of players (when they were putting in some effort for him) to (a couple of unlucky injuries excepted) a G/F win just half a dozen games previously.

Eh? He got us a GF win in the same way Mick Potter did. By which I mean, he didn't. As for same set of players, Graham was worth two props and was the heartbeat of our team.

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 3:51 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

so you agree they wouldn't have happened under Simmons, good good.

Oh tut, tut.. Very poor....

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 4:22 pm  

Not sure where to post this and it doesn't merit a thread of its own but just wanted to give 'special mention' to Wilkin who was utterly pathetic once again.

His apology to Mossop after catching him with a high tackle was a particular high point. You could smell the brown stuff through the TV screen. A poodle playing amongst pitbulls.

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 5:09 pm  

(Saint) wrote:

Not sure where to post this and it doesn't merit a thread of its own but just wanted to give 'special mention' to Wilkin who was utterly pathetic once again.

His apology to Mossop after catching him with a high tackle was a particular high point. You could smell the brown stuff through the TV screen. A poodle playing amongst pitbulls.

If you go back about two years worth of threads you will find a thread with the title wilkin that I set up and was basically stating the same thing.

Since 2006 he's been rubbish with the exception of one good season last year. I don't care what people say or which coach they try to blame for ruining him but the simple fact is, he's just not good enough.

The 4 year deal we've give him is another showing of our totally shocking recruitment and contract renewals.

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 6:13 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Memories in sport are very short.

They are, yes. Simmons took us to a Grand Final last season and that with a host of young players he had to blood on the way.

Re: Career-killing game : Mon May 28, 2012 6:15 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

They are, yes. Simmons took us to a Grand Final last season and that with a host of young players he had to blood on the way.

Potter also got us to two grand finals and two challenge cup semi finals in his twos years at the club with horrific injuries.