Re: Spent force : Tue May 15, 2012 6:09 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

No... but ocassionally getting it might be nice... Jones has played on the left so sees the ball. Shenton doesn't and hasn't. And is still clearly injured. And Jones, all hyperbole and usual Saints kneejerk supporter BS aside, hasn't exactly set the world on fire yet (not surprising given his age/experience). Shenton towards the end of last season (when he was settling down a bit and pre-injury) was a far better player then Jones has approached being yet.

Saints (rightly or wrongly) spent a large amount of money ordaining Shenton as our #1 centre for the following 3 years and then never bothered passing him the ****ing ball. I'd still love to know how exactly anyone could have expected any different an outcome to his Saints career considering...

All this should change when Brown comes in. Hudds attack is more balanced and I would expect him to organise both our attack and defence infinately better than our last 2 full time coaches have.

Re: Spent force : Tue May 15, 2012 6:37 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Saints (rightly or wrongly) spent a large amount of money ordaining Shenton as our #1 centre for the following 3 years and then never bothered passing him the ****ing ball. I'd still love to know how exactly anyone could have expected any different an outcome to his Saints career considering...

I agree. It's a shame that he is going without ever getting the chance to shine thanks to our troubles at halfback.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 5:55 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:Saints (rightly or wrongly) spent a large amount of money ordaining Shenton as our #1 centre for the following 3 years and then never bothered passing him the ****ing ball. I'd still love to know how exactly anyone could have expected any different an outcome to his Saints career considering...

They dont pass him the ****ing ball because he is ****ing useless. I hope that answers your problem.

I agree. It's a shame that he is going without ever getting the chance to shine thanks to our troubles at halfback.

Yet more tripe from her who should remain indoors.

Let us get one thing straight regarding Shenton or any other player for that matter; a good player will make his own openings and not have to rely on others making them for him.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 6:13 pm  

redex113 wrote:

Let us get one thing straight regarding Shenton or any other player for that matter; a good player will make his own openings and not have to rely on others making them for him.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 6:53 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

:lol:

Not sure what you're laughing about in that particular quote? It's completely true.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 7:02 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Not sure what you're laughing about in that particular quote? It's completely true.

It's a team sport, selected by a coach. Every player in that squad is reliant on others to one degree or another for various things, including whether they have openings to exploit.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 7:08 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

It's a team sport, selected by a coach. Every player in that squad is reliant on others to one degree or another for various things, including whether they have openings to exploit.

Absolutely. But surely you can't argue that good players don't create their own opportunities when nothing is on?

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 7:36 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Absolutely. But surely you can't argue that good players don't create their own opportunities when nothing is on?

If you are talking about creating opportunities within a match then of course certain individuals can create opportunities but not all positions within a rugby league team have the same opportunity to be creative. If the ball is being distributed to the left all the time, for example, how then can Shenton create something? Is he supposed to leave his channel, fly to the left, intercept the ball and then do something? Ok, so I'm being flippant, but in all seriousness what are the right edge players supposed to do if the ball isn't passed in their direction to begin with?

As I say, it's a team sport.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 7:40 pm  

redex113 wrote:

Let us get one thing straight regarding Shenton or any other player for that matter; a good player will make his own openings and not have to rely on others making them for him.

Yes, you're right... He should have pushed Roby out of the way and lined up at dummy half every play, or constantly stood in front of Gaskell/Hohaia in the line so he could have snatched the ball off them. Or maybe he could have developed powers of telekinesis to make the ball go his way now and then instead of having to huddle together with Makinson for warmth on the right wing all lonely and ignored by the rest of the team?

You sir, are talking spherical objects. Just quietly accept your preposterousness and move on with the rest of your life, eh? You'll feel better for it, trust me.

Re: Spent force : Wed May 16, 2012 7:44 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

If you are talking about creating opportunities within a match then of course certain individuals can create opportunities but not all positions within a rugby league team have the same opportunity to be creative. If the ball is being distributed to the left all the time, for example, how then can Shenton create something? Is he supposed to leave his channel, fly to the left, intercept the ball and then do something? Ok, so I'm being flippant, but in all seriousness what are the right edge players supposed to do if the ball isn't passed in their direction to begin with?

As I say, it's a team sport.

I've just checked the stats and the ball is without a doubt distributed considerably more to our left flank than our right, about 2 to 1 in fact. However, Shenton has had 96 carries, 22 of which coming from dummy half leaving him with 74 carries which probably were in the centre channel. Even though he is getting less ball then the left flank you would expect him to be able to show something with those 74 carries, which IMO, he hasn't. I'm not a Shenton hater but I'm struggling to see what he brings to our side that Josh Jones for instance can't match and better from his few showings.