Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:27 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Well, you will never know will you.

We could make an educated guess, though.

SaintsFan wrote:

Except me of course.

Except for you....
Of course.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:36 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I find the players simpering support for Simmons to be a little sickening.

Guilt and shame can do that to people.

It was their performances that lost him his job,

I thought he was an incompetent coach? Not that I don't agree with your statement; I definitely do. But you don't seem to, judging by your other posts.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:57 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I find the players simpering support for Simmons to be a little sickening. It was their performances that lost him his job, and to dedicate last night's perfomrace to him is really just a kick in the slats. Having said that, I am absolutely delighted that we have at last turned in a top performance, and if Simmons was sacrificed to that end, then so be it.

They aren't going to come out and call him a clueless idiot though are they?

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:39 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Guilt and shame can do that to people.

I thought he was an incompetent coach? Not that I don't agree with your statement; I definitely do. But you don't seem to, judging by your other posts.

I don't understand? I have always been completely behind Royce. Check my posts.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:04 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I find the players simpering support for Simmons to be a little sickening. It was their performances that lost him his job, and to dedicate last night's perfomrace to him is really just a kick in the slats. Having said that, I am absolutely delighted that we have at last turned in a top performance, and if Simmons was sacrificed to that end, then so be it.

I agree with all that but I fear for what state we'll be left in in a couple of months' time if KC and Rush are eventually revealed to not be up to the job and the players all start to pull their bottom lips over their heads and take their balls home with them again. Royce was clearly no genius (the unused back on the bench and utter inability of any of our halves to ever pass to their right maddened the hell out of me every single game), but he was good enough to get basically the same set of players as we currently have to both a Wembley final and a Grand Final win last season (in incredibly difficult circumstances let's not forget), a couple of unluckily timed injuries excepted. He would have been good enough to give us a decent chance of the same again this year if the players had done the jobs they were paid to do. Now instead we're in limbo for the rest of the year and our season could go either way. I know which situation would make me happier right now.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:21 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

I agree with all that but I fear for what state we'll be left in in a couple of months' time if KC and Rush are eventually revealed to not be up to the job and the players all start to pull their bottom lips over their heads and take their balls home with them again. Royce was clearly no genius (the unused back on the bench and utter inability of any of our halves to ever pass to their right maddened the hell out of me every single game), but he was good enough to get basically the same set of players as we currently have to both a Wembley final and a Grand Final win last season (in incredibly difficult circumstances let's not forget), a couple of unluckily timed injuries excepted. He would have been good enough to give us a decent chance of the same again this year if the players had done the jobs they were paid to do. Now instead we're in limbo for the rest of the year and our season could go either way. I know which situation would make me happier right now.

I agree that player power has to be stomped out, and for that reason the next coach has to have an authoritarian streak backed up 100% by the board. We cannot afford to end up in a Chelsea situation where the players decide they no longer care for the manager and have him removed.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:26 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I don't understand? I have always been completely behind Royce. Check my posts.

Sorry. My bad. I'm used to the abuse and so I just reacted as I would to more abuse!

I agree with the authoritarian streak thing. My only concern about Royce was that he was just too nice and sympathetic. Some characters will just walk all over that. Also, I think there were a few bruised egos as a result of his rotation policy.

I think it's interesting, for example, that Meli played on the wing again having been shifted to centre actually during Potter's time. I wonder whether that was Meli saying he wanted to play on the wing and getting his way? My guess is probably it is. He managed to let Leeds cross on his side again I notice. Fortunately luck was with us this time though and the try was ruled out for a knock on. It wasn't a Grand Final either!

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:29 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Sorry. My bad. I'm used to the abuse and so I just reacted as I would to more abuse!

I agree with the authoritarian streak thing. My only concern about Royce was that he was just too nice and sympathetic. Some characters will just walk all over that. Also, I think there were a few bruised egos as a result of his rotation policy.

I think it's interesting, for example, that Meli played on the wing again having been shifted to centre actually during Potter's time. I wonder whether that was Meli saying he wanted to play on the wing and getting his way? My guess is probably it is. He managed to let Leeds cross on his side again I notice. Fortunately luck was with us this time though and the try was ruled out for a knock on. It wasn't a Grand Final either!

Meli asked to play wing and got his way

What a silly post!

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:30 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Royce was clearly no genius (the unused back on the bench and utter inability of any of our halves to ever pass to their right maddened the hell out of me every single game),

Interesting. I don't know what position Brad Dwyer plays in but according to League Weekly, he sat on the bench for the full 80 minutes for Warrington on Friday night. I guess Tony Smith is no genius either?

Nor is Phil Veivers. He used only 16 players when Salford played us at Langtree Park. The back stayed on the bench, as did ours.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:31 pm  

St pete wrote:

Meli asked to play wing and got his way
What a silly post!

Why is it silly? Meli has never been any good on the wing. Oh, he pulled out a performance on Sunday night, just as we all know he can against the big teams (except at Grand Finals). But then he disappears again. That's been the way with him since Anderson's time. I can very much see a whole bunch of egos directing play actually. Did Jon Wilkin play loose forward?