Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:58 pm  

St pete wrote:

Scully had his best great Britain games at stand off. I recall one of the Aussies post match saying he was in the top three players in the world.

It was Lockyer.
Sculthorpe's at No.1, Farrel didn't even make his top 10
I'll take is word for it before any one else on here, if you don't mind.


LOCKYER NAMES HIS TOP 10 INTERNATIONAL OPPONENTS.
Lockyer openly admits he's had more farewell tours than John Farnham.

To the point where his Kangaroo teammates have taken to jokingly calling him "Johnny".

As he prepares to play the final 80 minutes of his career, Lockyer has nominated his top 10 international opponents from 15 years at the highest level.

TOP 10

1. Paul Sculthorpe (England): "I've always rated him very highly. He's a bit like a Jason Smith. Very composed, strong runner of the football and with good vision. Always hard to handle.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:04 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Don't forget when Faz started at Wigan they had a goalkicker called Botica. Farrell captained the GB / England team with Scully in it.

If I had the choice I would have Farrell before Scully any time but would love to have both of them.
Oh and we didn't have to buy Farrell.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, no problem with that is there.

Thats fine as long as you admit you're wrong . As the post above says I'll take lockyers word over yours any day .

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:57 pm  

1. Cowie
2. Newton (but whatever he did then is insignificant now)
3. The rest of them

I really liked Edwards. One of the few opposition players I liked to watch when I was a kid.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:34 pm  

Edwards, Edwards, and Edwards

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:12 pm  

1. Judas
2. Judas
3. Judas

Many are the Wigan players I've hated down through the years, but ultimately it's only a game and you forgive/forget about them as they move on and the next generation of hatees moves in to take their place. There is a special place in hell reserved for this man however that goes over and above any petty and conventional notions of rivalry. He's the one and only rugby player I think I could cheerfully spit in the face of, even now.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:52 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

1. Judas
2. Judas
3. Judas

Many are the Wigan players I've hated down through the years, but ultimately it's only a game and you forgive/forget about them as they move on and the next generation of hatees moves in to take their place. There is a special place in hell reserved for this man however that goes over and above any petty and conventional notions of rivalry. He's the one and only rugby player I think I could cheerfully spit in the face of, even now.

At that time players had to negotiate for themselves and clubs took (or tried to take) advantage.

Players are now more savvy and employ agents to do their negotiating. Saints tried to screw Connolly (my now sadly deceased brother in law told me what happened) and Wigan stepped in. It wouldn't happen today.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:28 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

At that time players had to negotiate for themselves and clubs took (or tried to take) advantage.

Players are now more savvy and employ agents to do their negotiating. Saints tried to screw Connolly (my now sadly deceased brother in law told me what happened) and Wigan stepped in. It wouldn't happen today.

Of course - that mercenary Saints board cold-heartedly offering him more money than any other Saints player before him, and the saintly Judas selflessly holding out and playing them off against the Pies, and like a Good Samaritan delaying announcing his decision to accept a big chunk of the Central Park retirement fund just long enough to prevent Saints from being able to sign Newlove (or anyone else) as a replacement when he did go.... What a true legend and gentleman the man is...

Players have to look after themselves and it's a short career etc., and I'dve still been upset even if he'd moved in the right way, but I and every other Saints fans would have gotten over it and eventually forgotten/forgiven a la Platt. And we all know what an utter collection of clueless clowns Saints' management was at the time and I'd find it hard to begrudge any player wanting to escape that insanity. The way he went about it however was utterly disgraceful and beyond the pale and was a knife in the back to both the club that made him and to the fans who idolised him. I genuinely hope bad things happen to him, I really do.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:04 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Of course - that mercenary Saints board cold-heartedly offering him more money than any other Saints player before him, and the saintly Judas selflessly holding out and playing them off against the Pies, and like a Good Samaritan delaying announcing his decision to accept a big chunk of the Central Park retirement fund just long enough to prevent Saints from being able to sign Newlove (or anyone else) as a replacement when he did go.... What a true legend and gentleman the man is...

Players have to look after themselves and it's a short career etc., and I'dve still been upset even if he'd moved in the right way, but I and every other Saints fans would have gotten over it and eventually forgotten/forgiven a la Platt. And we all know what an utter collection of clueless clowns Saints' management was at the time and I'd find it hard to begrudge any player wanting to escape that insanity. The way he went about it however was utterly disgraceful and beyond the pale and was a knife in the back to both the club that made him and to the fans who idolised him. I genuinely hope bad things happen to him, I really do.

How dare a pro sportsman want to maximise his earnings.He didnt want to leave Saints,he was going to go down under and would of taken less then he was being offered there but Saints sold him to Wigan,he wasnt playing one off against the other,for him Wigan wasnt in the equation until Saints jumped in.

You really do need to get a grip,wishing someone bad things for bettering what is a very short career really is beyond belief.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:09 am  

brook40 wrote:

How dare a pro sportsman want to maximise his earnings.He didnt want to leave Saints,he was going to go down under and would of taken less then he was being offered there but Saints sold him to Wigan,he wasnt playing one off against the other,for him Wigan wasnt in the equation until Saints jumped in.

You really do need to get a grip,wishing someone bad things for bettering what is a very short career really is beyond belief.

At the end of the day I dont blame any player in rugby leaving a club for better money, it's there job and it's a short career so take what you can while you can.

I think with the Connelly situation was the fact he went Wigan that got to the fans and I think the player and club could have handeled it better.

Players need to make as much money possible in the shirt time they have as a player.

I'm a st Helen's lad who's saints mad but as a youth player I turned saints down to sign for Widnes because they offered more money and I was only 15/16 at the time so I can see why Connelly did it 100%.

Re: Fans top 3 hated Wigan players of all time !!! : Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:34 pm  

Ive allways said fair play to him for doing it,i dont blame him at all for going.Gary is a nice down to earth lad who has allways been polite whenever ive had dealings with him but has endured allkinds of verbal abuse and had his car scratched and vandalised several times.

Maybe it could of been handled better,maybe it would of been better if Saints had let hm go down under and not sold him to Wigan,thats all water under the bridge now anyway.However i really do think its time people just let the Judas thing go.