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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:54 am  
trent wrote:
Josh Perry is without a doubt the biggest ever flop that you have signed from overseas,he won't have come cheap either
He's spent more time on the sidelines than some of your season ticket holders :lol:

How much did Fielden play last year? :SHOOT:
JP - Played 11, 722 meters, 107 carries, 196 tackles
SF - Played 1, 75 meters, 11 carries, 30 tackles.
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:40 am  
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Going back a fair few years before that, we sent scouts to watch a young winger at Preston Grasshoppers, a right flyer.

Reports came back that he'd had a decent all round game, and rumours were that wi*an were also dead keen on him. We signed him up straight away, full of delight about getting one over on the Pies, unaware that for the match we'd seen, Dave Tanner had replaced the injured Mark Preston.

Preston went on to have a great few years at wi*an, scoring shedloads of tries. Dave Tanner forged an unspectacular career at Saints as a mediocre utility player.

(the story's probably BS, or at least heavily exaggerated but, given the Laurel & Hardy management of the club at the time, certainly believeable)


Saints actually gave Mark Preston a run-out in a reserves game as a trialist and had ample chance to bag him, but by all accounts decided not to sign him as he was "too small". He then of course went to Wigan instead and scored a gazillion tries for a short while while we went and paid big money for the man mountain of Brimah Kebbie instead... We really were run by a bunch of clueless muppets in those days...

Anyway, Tanner was a more than decent player who never let us down and suffered a little from being just too versatile - he would have made a very good permanent #1 in the "pre-pivot" era if not for Veivers being in the way, but unfortunately spent most of his time labouring on the wing where, as already pointed out, his lack of either pace or size/strength meant he could never be more than average. Plus, great first season scoring for fun at a completely dominant and overpowering Wigan side where I could have scored 20+ tries aside, Preston didn't exactly pull up a lot of trees himself career-wise, did he?

It's a nice story though ;)
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:10 am  
Based on reputation it has to be michael O'Connor,when we signed him he was a superstar,a goal kicking free scoring dual code international but he really did flop for us,some people say he was injured but we signed him anyway,when you think about some of the players we signed in the 80's and some we turned down it really does make you wonder about the people that ran the club back then.

Another that springs to mind is Gary Grienke no idea how he made a living as a rugby player.
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:38 pm  
O'Connor's problem was that the fans (egged on by Murphy and company) expected another Mal Meninga.
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:34 pm  
Webbo wrote:
Going back a fair few years before that, we sent scouts to watch a young winger at Preston Grasshoppers, a right flyer.

Reports came back that he'd had a decent all round game, and rumours were that wi*an were also dead keen on him. We signed him up straight away, full of delight about getting one over on the Pies, unaware that for the match we'd seen, Dave Tanner had replaced the injured Mark Preston.

Preston went on to have a great few years at wi*an, scoring shedloads of tries. Dave Tanner forged an unspectacular career at Saints as a mediocre utility player.

(the story's probably BS, or at least heavily exaggerated but, given the Laurel & Hardy management of the club at the time, certainly believeable)




And Preston wasn't too shabby at Halifax either
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 pm  
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Pat Jarvis. Big time Aussie prop whose only useful function at KR was to carry the sand bucket on (prior to the days of kicking tees).

On the subject of Saints' management years ago, a story which I don't know is 100% true, but sounds about right:

A couple of Saints directors were sent to Rosslyn Park to have a look at a winger called Martin Offiah. When they reported back to the board, it went something like: " We didn't think he was much good but there was a black fellow on the other wing who could bl00dy shift"!
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:16 pm  
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O'Connor's problem was that the fans (egged on by Murphy and company) expected another Mal Meninga.



Not it wasnt it was the fact that he was world class in ability and did absolutely nothing in the red vee. Undoubted talent, clearly came for a holiday and put in zero effort.He was 5hite all season.
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:30 pm  
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I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Pat Jarvis. Big time Aussie prop whose only useful function at KR was to carry the sand bucket on (prior to the days of kicking tees).

On the subject of Saints' management years ago, a story which I don't know is 100% true, but sounds about right:

A couple of Saints directors were sent to Rosslyn Park to have a look at a winger called Martin Offiah. When they reported back to the board, it went something like: " We didn't think he was much good but there was a black fellow on the other wing who could bl00dy shift"!


All i remember of Pat Jarvis we he liked to fight.

Yes they looked at Offiah and he was called an "uncoordinated clown" by them,Widnes signed him not long after and the rest is history.According to his book Jermey Guscott met with the board and decided there was no way he was doing business with them
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:33 pm  
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All i remember of Pat Jarvis we he liked to fight.



He had a decent off load game did Jarvis.
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Re: St Helens biggest ever flop !!! : Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:38 pm  
I can't believe someone on here has made Stuart Evans out to be anything other than a huge flop in a Saints jersey!!

"Devastating"...you're having a laugh.
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