Re: Storm Damage : Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:47 pm  

i thought that game was abandoned?

Re: Storm Damage : Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:49 pm  

Not sure it was abandoned SS. TBH I cant remember, but I do remember it happening as I was filming there that day. Hey, I may still have the footage somewhere in the HOOF archives as well !!


THE HOOF

Re: Storm Damage : Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:52 pm  

This second incident of damage to the roof after what are pretty routine winter gales for the UK is deeply concerning. The incident cannot be taken in isolation, as it also needs to be noted that the stadium is not structurally strong enough to take the wind loadings of full cladding, thereby requiring perforated cladding. The stadium would therefore appear to have a fundamental design flaw in its ability to withstand strong wind conditions. Looking at meteorological data from the Met office. The winds occurring today were just par for the course for wintry weather, and were nowhere near the highest recorded wind speeds in the North West. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/nw/ A stadium is a structure that needs to be built to the highest standards possible with regard to safety.This is because any structural failure within a stadium, such as the roof blowing off, puts at risk not just one life, but countless lives. It is completely unacceptable therefore for the roof to be blowing off in conditions that are par for the course in Winter. We are not talking about damage occurring in a once in a hundred year storm. With regard to the damage occurring in the South West corner on two occasions. I think this is more down to the winds on the days the damage occurred being from the South West. The club must not fall into the trap of allowing the roofers to get away with checking only the South West corner. I would go in with the premise that the entire roof structure is currently unsound and needs a thorough inspection, probably by independent consultants alongside the roofing contractors own staff. Hopefully the roofs weakness can be solved through additional bracing. There are always engineering solutions to these types of issues. The problem with these solutions is that they can add significant additional costs into the equation.

This second incident of damage to the roof after what are pretty routine winter gales for the UK is deeply concerning. The incident cannot be taken in isolation, as it also needs to be noted that the stadium is not structurally strong enough to take the wind loadings of full cladding, thereby requiring perforated cladding. The stadium would therefore appear to have a fundamental design flaw in its ability to withstand strong wind conditions. Looking at meteorological data from the Met office. The winds occurring today were just par for the course for wintry weather, and were nowhere near the highest recorded wind speeds in the North West. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/nw/ A stadium is a structure that needs to be built to the highest standards possible with regard to safety.This is because any structural failure within a stadium, such as the roof blowing off, puts at risk not just one life, but countless lives. It is completely unacceptable therefore for the roof to be blowing off in conditions that are par for the course in Winter. We are not talking about damage occurring in a once in a hundred year storm. With regard to the damage occurring in the South West corner on two occasions. I think this is more down to the winds on the days the damage occurred being from the South West. The club must not fall into the trap of allowing the roofers to get away with checking only the South West corner. I would go in with the premise that the entire roof structure is currently unsound and needs a thorough inspection, probably by independent consultants alongside the roofing contractors own staff. Hopefully the roofs weakness can be solved through additional bracing. There are always engineering solutions to these types of issues. The problem with these solutions is that they can add significant additional costs into the equation.

Re: Storm Damage : Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:56 pm  

Spot on chair maker!

Re: Storm Damage : Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:59 pm  

HOOF HEARTED wrote:

Not sure it was abandoned SS. TBH I cant remember, but I do remember it happening as I was filming there that day. Hey, I may still have the footage somewhere in the HOOF archives as well !!


THE HOOF

I think the game was abandoned.

I think mark bournville the French winger made his one and only game for saints.

I also think it nearly hit mark foster and not mercer.

Re: Storm Damage : Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:26 pm  

Reading this Guardian article it shows a picture of the damage at Epsom downs. Interesting to note that the roof material looks the same as that used on Saints ground eg lightweight aluminium http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jan/ ... pe=article Better pics from the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing ... -roof.html

Reading this Guardian article it shows a picture of the damage at Epsom downs. Interesting to note that the roof material looks the same as that used on Saints ground eg lightweight aluminium http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jan/ ... pe=article Better pics from the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing ... -roof.html

Re: Storm Damage : Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:54 am  

Exactly chairmaker , the materials and construction methods look exactly the same, so possibly prone to the same failure type , if you look at the stadium the SW corner where the damage is , is very exposed to the SW which by a strange coincidence is where the prevailing wind is coming from, Arnold Clark was mentioned, and i think its possible that with the buildings along that end of the stadium can cause a wind tunnel effect as Tesco is very close and if the wind is forced down a narrower path it speeds up so possibly , and I am not an engineer of any kind , just possibly the wind is being funelled to that corner as there is no sign of damage in any other part of the ground

Re: Storm Damage : Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:29 am  

the game was abandoned, and the pice of sheeting that fell off didnt go anywhere near any player at all. I was in the seating underneath it when it happened.

Re: Storm Damage : Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:07 am  

Is the stadium still there?

Re: Storm Damage : Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:03 am  

St pete wrote: Is the stadium still there? Where is 'there'? It seems we're not the only Saints to be suffering stadium uncertainty thanks to strong winds. The forecast today is dismal: heavy rain with more winds of 75mph to 80mph due in during the night.

St pete wrote: Is the stadium still there? Where is 'there'? It seems we're not the only Saints to be suffering stadium uncertainty thanks to strong winds. The forecast today is dismal: heavy rain with more winds of 75mph to 80mph due in during the night.