Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:58 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Stop presenting alternative viewpoints to hysteria. That kind of intellect isn't acceptable on apocalyptic RL message boards, you should know that. For heaven's sake don't post it on RedVee or it'll melt.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:13 pm  

I do like reading these panic monkey threads.

This year we have lost two players to Union. Count them 2. Thats about 0.5%of our SL player roster.

People love to take anecdotal evidence nowa days and extrapolate that to create some pattern to fit their own strange paranoia.

Its a hit that both clubs and the league are well able to take. We cast aside a bigger percentage of our players each year to lower leagues.

Injury over the courseof a season has a greater impact.

People love to buy into hype too. Eastmond had great potential but lets face it has not been tested in RL. If he does well fair play to him but its a gap easily fixed.

Tomkins again is no great loss to Wigan even his more talented younger brother is not irreplaceable.

In the end money is the key. We could throw off the cap but that would lead to quick wage inflation for no good reason other than there being more money. Not more talent.

We need financially stronger clubs profitable club. This will lead to better wages for all players rather than throwing huge money to keep one or two players whilst bankrupting the clubs.

If we had a billion dollar tv contract a higher cap would work. But we dont the cap has to reflact the capacity of the clubs to bear the burden. Clubs alone cannot be trusted to act finacially soundly as chairmen will bust finances on the hope of on field success. With some faint faith that the money will follow.

Give me a sound business plan with a long term growth of league over some short term monkey panic because one or two employees have got a better paid job.

Jes!

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:17 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Give me a sound business plan with a long term growth of league over some short term monkey panic because one or two employees have got a better paid job.

Well said, that.

I agree with the other points in your post too.

Way too much flapping over nothing.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:25 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Well said, that.

I agree with the other points in your post too.

Way too much flapping over nothing.

They are good points but it's also the NRL we are losing players to. It's only going to get worse with the new salary cap comes in.

The big problem is the nrl and union are taking our best young players which obviously makes for worse league.

IMO it's the nrl which will take our best players.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:30 pm  

St pete wrote:

They are good points but it's also the NRL we are losing players to. It's only going to get worse with the new salary cap comes in.

The big problem is the nrl and union are taking our best young players which obviously makes for worse league.

IMO it's the nrl which will take our best players.

I agree Pete and I would rather this happen than go to the dark side,the lesser of two evils so to speak.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:32 pm  

In my opinion the best player tag is somewhat silly. Every year the best players change. Taking out the top ten players does not ruduce the quality of the league unless those ten players are the only decent ones and we have no coaches who can coach replacements to be just as good.

No other business or sport in the world panics as much over a loss of a few employees as the british RL fan.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:06 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

In my opinion the best player tag is somewhat silly. Every year the best players change. Taking out the top ten players does not ruduce the quality of the league unless those ten players are the only decent ones and we have no coaches who can coach replacements to be just as good.

No other business or sport in the world panics as much over a loss of a few employees as the british RL fan.

We've lost two very good players this year that are home grown. One to union and one to the nrl. Wigan are looking to be losing Joel tomkins which is another home grown player.

It's not a serious problem at the moment but it's got all the signs of becoming a very big problem.

Something needs to be put in place to prevent thus but I ain't got clue what and how the RFL can stop it.

Like I said, I think the nrl is the biggest threat.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:26 pm  

There was also the loss of Ian Thornley an 18 year old 6ft 2", 15 stone centre last year to Sale, and the obvious talent that is Owen Farrell and George Ford.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:35 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

There was also the loss of Ian Thornley an 18 year old 6ft 2", 15 stone centre last year to Sale, and the obvious talent that is Owen Farrell and George Ford.

Farrell and Ford were children when their parents went over to Union. You can't count them as losses. If their parents had gone to play skittles in Afghanistan, they would probably be doing that now too.

Thornley is Wigan's fault. Why didn't he have a contract? Because they have so many poop overseas players. Why didn't he play first team rugby for Wigan? Because they have too many poop overseas players.

Re: Union about to come knocking at the door : Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:52 pm  

St pete wrote:

Something needs to be put in place to prevent thus but I ain't got clue what and how the RFL can stop it.

Just continue to grow our sport. It's as simple as that. We can't compete with the NRL or the cash that the RFU has but we can compete on product and certainly on the entertainment front.