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Re: Soliola : Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:54 pm  
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If another Superleague team were to offer Saints around £250K for James Graham, do you think that they would take it?


I don't think Saints are in need of cash from the sale of players, however, we do need to balance the salary cap. If Graham's wage demands mean that he is an unnaffordable luxury, then he will move on.
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Re: Soliola : Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:18 pm  
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I don't think Saints are in need of cash from the sale of players, however, we do need to balance the salary cap. If Graham's wage demands mean that he is an unnaffordable luxury, then he will move on.


It's a ridiculous question though - why would Graham give up on playing NRL to let Saints get £250k?

Why would anyone offer £250k when he's out of contract at the end of the year?

It's just nonsense.
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Re: Soliola : Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:38 pm  
I think it was more a theoretical question rather than a possibility
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Re: Soliola : Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:28 pm  
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He played in Warringtons U18s and U21s, before spending a year playing RU, and then went out to Leigh on dual reg. He didn't come through our Academy at all, bar waiting for his chance in our reserve team.

My mistake. I thought he came through our academy.

Fair enough. Don't care that he's gone then! :wink:
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Re: Soliola : Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:10 pm  
If players like Lomax / Foster carry on in great form, Is it not good business sense to offer Very long contracts offered to them
10 years.
then if anyone wanted them RU, NRL, in their prime they would have to pay good money.
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Re: Soliola : Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:34 am  
saintcj wrote:
If players like Lomax / Foster carry on in great form, Is it not good business sense to offer Very long contracts offered to them
10 years.
then if anyone wanted them RU, NRL, in their prime they would have to pay good money.


It's an idea. But lengthy contracts come with their own problems.

Unless we're paying high wages what incentive does the player have to sign? £30k a year might sound a lot to a rookie. But if in two years he's starring for England the sum is no longer in line with his market value. Worse still - he has another eight years of it to look forward to.

What if we develop another Danny Arnold and decide to spend big on a ten-year contract based on excellent performances over twelve months? In five years time when his form has collapsed and we've still got him on the books the deal is no longer so rosy.
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Re: Soliola : Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:36 pm  
Mugwump wrote:
It's not too much to ask that we produce at least one good (he doesn't have to be great) prop every four years who we can rely on - barring issues - for years.

Andy Leatham was a great prop before his illness, he'd have gone on to a great saints career otherwise.
But no, we don't seem to have the nack for producing props. Posts from the Widnes site say Frodsham is struggling to make an impression there, so its looking more and more like an uphill battle for him.
Hopefully Graham and Clough will be joined by Forster in the next year or so.
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Re: Soliola : Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:19 pm  
Mugwump wrote:
It's an idea. But lengthy contracts come with their own problems.

Unless we're paying high wages what incentive does the player have to sign? £30k a year might sound a lot to a rookie. But if in two years he's starring for England the sum is no longer in line with his market value. Worse still - he has another eight years of it to look forward to.

What if we develop another Danny Arnold and decide to spend big on a ten-year contract based on excellent performances over twelve months? In five years time when his form has collapsed and we've still got him on the books the deal is no longer so rosy.


for reference, see Kevin Penny. Wire got excited when he first broke through, whacked him on a big 5year contract before he had done anything properly in the game, and then had to watch as his career collapsed.

where is the incentive for a player to perform when he has a 10 year cushy number sorted out for himself? look at various of our overseas players recently, who usually have a burst of form in the summer of the 2nd year of their 2 year deal, get a new contract sorted then drift back into oblivion.
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Re: Soliola : Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:03 pm  
saintcj wrote:
If players like Lomax / Foster carry on in great form, Is it not good business sense to offer Very long contracts offered to them
10 years.
then if anyone wanted them RU, NRL, in their prime they would have to pay good money.


No club in the right mind would offer young, untried, inexperienced, unproven players 10yr contracts based on hit and miss form.

And no player in the right mind would sign a 10yr contract with a club.
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Re: Soliola : Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:25 pm  
St pete wrote:
No club in the right mind would offer young, untried, inexperienced, unproven players 10yr contracts based on hit and miss form.

And no player in the right mind would sign a 10yr contract with a club.


If the money was right they would. But it doesn't matter anyway. What use is a contract? If a player has a contract to play League and does a bunk and signs for a Union team, what happens then? Has there ever been a precedent set for a situation like that?

Having a contract is no use if the player 'does a Kyle' and doesn't play properly.
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