Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:26 pm  

Whether is dog grooming or pig shooting, good to see a player of his calibre in SL.

Wires will have Atkins, King, Bridge and Monaghan all vying for centre spots in 2012. Unless that means the end of two out of those four?

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:30 pm  

King by most accounts will be back in Aus

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:31 pm  

The Chief wrote:

Whether is dog grooming or pig shooting, good to see a player of his calibre in SL.

Wires will have Atkins, King, Bridge and Monaghan all vying for centre spots in 2012. Unless that means the end of two out of those four?

Monaghan should be thought of as a direct replacement for King IMO. Bridge isn't anything special and Atkins could easily moved to the wing where Hicks will be leaving.

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:34 pm  

If this is confirmed it once again shows the difference in ambition amongst the SL clubs at the moment. Clubs like Warrington and Wigan seem hell beant on winning, whereas the likes of Saints and Leeds don't seem particularly focused in what they are doing.

Saints seem to be economising and not caring if we win and Leeds seem happy with their run of success and look happy to sit back and watch it unfold for a year or two.

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:46 pm  

Saints have an engrained ambition to turn out a team of 17 home grown players. They have to be applauded for the work they are doing with the local amateur clubs to bring through the next generation, but even so, I do accept there is a balancing act.

Not very often that a local amateur side will produce a TP or Jamie Lyon is it.

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:15 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

If this is confirmed it once again shows the difference in ambition amongst the SL clubs at the moment. Clubs like Warrington and Wigan seem hell beant on winning, whereas the likes of Saints and Leeds don't seem particularly focused in what they are doing.

Saints seem to be economising and not caring if we win and Leeds seem happy with their run of success and look happy to sit back and watch it unfold for a year or two.

Is this the ambitious Warrington that couldn't beat us again last year and that we knocked out of the play-offs?

They're lucky they haven't drawn us in the cup for 2 years.

I'll get more pleasure out of watching British players like Shenton and Wheeler in the centres than some Aussie who's only over here because he's a drunken buffoon. He's not even that good anyway, you make him sound like a Gasnier or a Lyon when he's just another Matt King.

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:26 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Is this the ambitious Warrington that couldn't beat us again last year and that we knocked out of the play-offs?

They're lucky they haven't drawn us in the cup for 2 years.

I'll get more pleasure out of watching British players like Shenton and Wheeler in the centres than some Aussie who's only over here because he's a drunken buffoon. He's not even that good anyway, you make him sound like a Gasnier or a Lyon when he's just another Matt King.

admittedly something happens when wire play Saints. It is sad. Will probably change really soon.

As someone mentions Wire are developing and are obsessed with winning, while to be blunt, Saints are stagnating.

Wire have won back-to-back Challenge cups
Saints have won nothing for 3 years (I think)

It is sad and has been trotted out by every wire fan since August but it is true.

What happens when 3 weeks into the season wire has destroyed saints at Widnes. or even just won.

It will really ram it home.

I don't think meeting saints in Wire's cup run would have changed the outcome of final at all, but that is just me.

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:41 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

What happens when 3 weeks into the season wire has destroyed saints at Widnes. or even just won.

It will really ram it home.

To put it bluntly - you had the best injury record of any top side last season, we had the worst, and we still finished above you and beat you three times.

With 2 fit half backs and 2 more props next season, I don't see that changing. Better start praying that Pryce/Estmond/Perry miss the first month of the season chap.

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:53 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: To Wire via Cas. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/joel-monaghans-future-revealed/story-e6frep5x-1225958752098 Shocking! Who'd have called that first? Carlos Alberto wrote: I imagine the Wolves will be sniffing...

Rogues Gallery wrote: To Wire via Cas. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/joel-monaghans-future-revealed/story-e6frep5x-1225958752098 Shocking! Who'd have called that first? Carlos Alberto wrote: I imagine the Wolves will be sniffing...

Re: Joel Monaghan, would you? Could you? : Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:07 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

To put it bluntly - you had the best injury record of any top side last season, we had the worst, and we still finished above you and beat you three times.

With 2 fit half backs and 2 more props next season, I don't see that changing. Better start praying that Pryce/Estmond/Perry miss the first month of the season chap.

i am not saying saints didn't have the worst. but wire didn't have the best. Missing a great centre for most of the year and our play maker too isn;t great.

i have said about the wire hoodoo. It won't last forever though

and yeah that last game of the year where Wire fielded some of the reserves at quins while saints ahd to fight tooth and nail and a few bent rules against cas. Wire could have probably nothed up a cricket score against quins.

The point is Wire have gone from mid tbale nothing to

back-to-back challenge cups.

Saints have gone from winning everything to losing 4 grand finals on the bounce. (although i can't say for sure they were in the last one... I never saw them)

We'll see how we go next year. I think wire win the first game (round 3) and i think it'll be a toss up later in the year. see how injuries go and that.

oh and 2 fit half backs. if i wasn't poor i'd bet eastmond won't play 7 of the 27 rounds and Pryce wants to be Bradford ( and may well be) but you're right, they'll be tough.

2 props... i've heard perry is average [don't quote me on that though] and taking into account he will have to get used to St Helens (**shivers**) it may take a while.

But the year after it is bye bye Graham + Pryce, probabaly Eastmond, maybe Roby... the list goes on and on you know how many contracts end next year. I think it could be changing soon. But then again it isn't a hoodoo for nothing.