Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:51 pm  

St pete wrote:

I don't he's as committed as you think, he used to be but not anymore.

His game as gone backwards over the last few years and is very very average and don't justify the high salary i expect saints pay him.

He lacks size and is slow for backrow of his size.

Im pretty sure we could bring in a much better player for the wage i expect him to be paid.

I honestly can't see why you'd call his committment into question - I'd be interested to see his stats from yesterday.

On your final point you may well be right, and I think that's a debate that can and should be had when his contract is finishing.

Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:57 pm  

Dux wrote:

I honestly can't see why you'd call his committment into question - I'd be interested to see his stats from yesterday.

On your final point you may well be right, and I think that's a debate that can and should be had when his contract is finishing.

The real wilkin i knew was rough, tough, hard and very very commited, now it's just a case of putting the player down all nice and softy.

I think the fact he's stayed the same size while other players have grew bigger and stronger as also set him back.

Where did all his ball skills go ? his little offloads and short support play was a real highlight of his game, he had a great pair of hands but that seems to have gone.

In 2006 he was awesome and looked to be a very good player but every year he seems to have gone back.

I couldn't really say what his strength to his game is and what he gives the team.

Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:00 pm  

We will always be welcomed at Craven Park with open arms.

I really wanted you lot to win and much as I know you don't want to hear it. Wigan just played the better rugby. It wasn't about any one player.

But if you don't want JW any more send him home

Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:47 pm  

St pete wrote:

The real wilkin i knew was rough, tough, hard and very very commited, now it's just a case of putting the player down all nice and softy.

I think the fact he's stayed the same size while other players have grew bigger and stronger as also set him back.

Where did all his ball skills go ? his little offloads and short support play was a real highlight of his game, he had a great pair of hands but that seems to have gone.

In 2006 he was awesome and looked to be a very good player but every year he seems to have gone back.

I couldn't really say what his strength to his game is and what he gives the team.

It's very easy to be a Luxury player in a Team of World Class players at their Peak.
As Saints have stood still (not sure if i've worded that right but Basically losing Scully and then Long/KFC/Wellens/Gidley getting older and not being the Dominant team in the Comp) then Wilkin has gone Backwards because he isn't the type of player that makes a Team Play well, He's a player that plays well on the back of a Team Playing well.
Not so easy to be a Good un when you aren't playing with the same quality week in week out.

My opinion (FWIW) ask JLM23 (A saints fan who posts on here) and He will tell you that he's never been more than Good SL player who looks ok when things are going well but doesn't mix it when the going gets tough.
I can see, with your half backs being out, why he is getting in but would be no more than Bench player for me and surely Clough would be a better "Starter" for the team?

Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:51 pm  

(Saint) wrote:

Wigan's forwards want to rip you apart and hurt you, like a pack of animals. So so aggressive and enthusiastic.

Wilkin for me is an example of a player who simply can't match that level of aggression and enthusiasm.

But we shouldn't forget that he also does a lot of good things on a weekly basis and is well respected by his teammates.

I cannot tell you enough How close to the Mark you are with that Statement!
Well observed!

Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:03 pm  

At the end of the day Wilkin was playing a role thats not his primary one, he isn't a half but can fill in on occasion.

He was poor yesterday especially defensively but was far from the worst Saints player on the pitch and if anyone had a shocker who was connected to Saints it was Mick Potter

Re: Jon Wilkin : Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:33 pm  

MrPhilb wrote:

At the end of the day Wilkin was playing a role thats not his primary one, he isn't a half but can fill in on occasion.

He was poor yesterday especially defensively but was far from the worst Saints player on the pitch and if anyone had a shocker who was connected to Saints it was Mick Potter

He was named at 6 but he didnt play there. He played in the back row mainly and he was still poor.

Re: Jon Wilkin : Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:51 am  

rally2001 wrote:

Speaking to hull fans yesterday and they rave about wilkin and would love him at at their club!!! I laughed at them and said I would gladly pay his taxi fair back to Hull. I've never rated the guy and I personally hate his guts!!

TBF, he's never played for hull. Although they were gutted he chose Saints instead of their own club when we were in NF1.

Saying that, like many Rovers fans would love to see him back at Craven Park.

Re: Jon Wilkin : Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:54 am  

rally2001 wrote:

Speaking to hull fans yesterday and they rave about wilkin and would love him at at their club!!! I laughed at them and said I would gladly pay his taxi fair back to Hull. I've never rated the guy and I personally hate his guts!!

For rugby related reasons !!!

I spoke to a few Saints fans when I was working over in the area a while back and they all seem to say he was not liked much for 'non rugby' related behaviour.

Re: Jon Wilkin : Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:58 am  

St pete wrote:

He's looked below average for that last 3yrs.

He's not worth the wedge he will be getting paid, if hull kr want him then let him go.

It mostly comes from nostalgia in my opinion, while I disagree that he is a 'rubbish' RL player as defined on here, he is not better than what we have at the moment. When we lose Galea at the end of 2011, I am hoping we can bring a kid through from the 21's (like taylor), rather than pay over the odds for someone like Wilkins, even though he could count as club trained as he came through our academy.