Re: The injuries & Hiho : Sun May 04, 2014 9:45 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

No chance.

Warrington have been more pants this year than they have been for a long time.

We will see.

That's Catalan and now Warrington in last few weeks.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Sun May 04, 2014 11:24 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

No chance.

Warrington have been more pants this year than they have been for a long time.

Catalan aren't pants now though even taking into consideration their shakey away performances.

I'm concerned that our performance against London was not good enough to give us momentum going into a game against a potentially resurgent Bradford, especially bearing in mind that Magic Weekend follows that and Warrington are bound to up their game against us even if they are a little lacking in the halfback department this season. For my own personal peace of mind, we needed to have performed as we did in the first 20 minutes against London for at least 60 minutes in order for me to feel like we will turn Bradford over. As it is, Walsh's returning form aside, I don't feel any more comfortable with Saints this week as I did last week.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 6:33 am  

I reckon Bradford will get a try or two. But I think the scoreline against Wire shows there weakness is defensively.

At the moment I imagine they are quite entertaining to watch, I'd hope we are doing training drills on defense this week, as if we need to keep improving this through the season. If we are to be contenders, I would expect our point against average to start dropping.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 8:13 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

I reckon Bradford will get a try or two. But I think the scoreline against Wire shows there weakness is defensively.

I haven't checked this but apparently us and Wire are equal 5th on defence.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 8:28 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

I reckon Bradford will get a try or two. But I think the scoreline against Wire shows there weakness is defensively.

At the moment I imagine they are quite entertaining to watch, I'd hope we are doing training drills on defense this week, as if we need to keep improving this through the season. If we are to be contenders, I would expect our point against average to start dropping.

Let's not get carried away with the 48 we scored against London. Our attack is nothing special in recent weeks, we are struggling to get any go forward and often stuck in our own half.

To sum up our recent form, we are woeful in defence and very average in attack which doesn't bode well going to a team that just beat Warrington and Catalan.

Don't get me wrong, the wolves and cats ain't the greatest so far this year but we are currently in shocking form.

If we play how we can, we will win and pretty easy but on current form, I think the bulls will win. That defeat at the DW was a wake up call and they have reacted how a team who's been bagged off should react, unlike the mighty allstars at saints.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 9:23 am  

It's not the 48 points against London, it's the 18 points we put in against Leeds that makes me think we have the attacking qualities.

I really do see the Easter period as a falling off the horse.

We should have been better than that, not saying enough to win, but enough to do better.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 9:27 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

It's not the 48 points against London, it's the 18 points we put in against Leeds that makes me think we have the attacking qualities.

I really do see the Easter period as a falling off the horse.

We should have been better than that, not saying enough to win, but enough to do better.

How tough was our Easter in reality ?

Not very really in terms of being tired. We rested nearly the whole team for Widnes and went to Leeds fresh. We might have scored 18 points but let's be honest we was awful with the ball.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 9:30 am  

It was tougher than Wigan's and Leeds if you look at the lead up.

We should have been better no doubt, but I'm not going to dismiss all other games and just look at Easter and say we are hopeless.

We are in the fight more this year than last year and the year before. We have better quality across most if not all positions.

I still reckon top 2 is the aim

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 9:32 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I haven't checked this but apparently us and Wire are equal 5th on defence.

Yes but Bradford have shipped in double what Saints and Wire have. Hence my point about Bradford having a leaky defense.

We'll do ok.

Re: The injuries & Hiho : Mon May 05, 2014 9:42 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

It was tougher than Wigan's and Leeds if you look at the lead up.

We should have been better no doubt, but I'm not going to dismiss all other games and just look at Easter and say we are hopeless.

We are in the fight more this year than last year and the year before. We have better quality across most if not all positions.

I still reckon top 2 is the aim

I agree it was tougher in the build up and post Easter but the players had a rest at Widnes and went into the Leeds game fresh and some might say battle hardned.

Lomax, swift, Turner, Percy, Walsh, Amor, Roby, walmsley etc off the top of my head was rested at Widnes so they had 7 days off to rest and prepare which is more than enough.

Swift had 3 weeks rest, turner played 1 game in 3 weeks, Percy month off, Walsh had 3 weeks off this year, Amor had 3/4 weeks off this year, Wilkin had 3 game ban, Lms 2 game ban so it's not like we have been flogged, in fact most the team should be fresh.

Add that to some close intense games, we actually could say we had a very good prep for the Leeds game. It's not great going into a big game without being in deep water, it's not the best going into the Leeds game smashing Eveyone and it's not great going in tired which we couldn't have been.

We are making excuses up and the isn't any. It's simple, if the other team puts 100% effort in and we put 70% effort in and with Wigan and Leeds ability they will win.


So basically -


Was we too tired ? No!

Was we battle hardened for the game ? Yes!


Did we play to our ability ? No!

Was we committed ? No!