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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:13 pm  
Is the lack of passion down to the coach or the players themselves? Bowen has never played in a Saints-Wigan before and he looked more fired up than any of our homegrown players. Brown needs to realise that treating Good Friday as 'just another 2 points' is a huge mistake.
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:28 pm  
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Is the lack of passion down to the coach or the players themselves? Bowen has never played in a Saints-Wigan before and he looked more fired up than any of our homegrown players. Brown needs to realise that treating Good Friday as 'just another 2 points' is a huge mistake.


It's bigger than that, it's the whole culture of the club that needs to improve if we're ever going to win a trophy again. With Wigan it isn't the players as they can virtually all change and they play the same. It's not Wane particularly as all he's doing it continuing the cynical, ultra aggressive gameplan Maguire started. Although Maguire added a lot to it, Wigan's way has always been there. They are, as a club, more committed to success than we are, more committed to preparation, more committed to training and it shows on the field.

Our culture is someway behind Wigan's. It's always been about attacking rugby and exciting the crowd. We suffered a lot over the last 7 years as consecutive coaches tried to change that and the rugby by numbers approach felt out of place, it just wasn't Saints. Our period of success in SL came when we had players who were superior in skill and athletic ability than the opposition, combined with a 'never beaten' attitude. We don't have the first of those now.

Wigan's superior attitude and culture would quite well stem from them being fully professional decades before everyone else. But it's not something we'll be able to catch up with over the short term, it'll take a long time for us to match them or Leeds.
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:32 pm  
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:D Whose todger? Wane's or his own?

YOu have a way with words but I agree with you. I didn't like reading in the press how Brown said it was just another two points and he wanted to take the emotion out of the game. I don't think Brown understands the Wigan Saints derby at all. He should have done the opposite and fired the team up. I would have thought by now he'd have got it but it would seem that he hasn't.


Can't believe Brown came out with that. KC and Rush must have cringed!
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:44 pm  
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No passion at all on display from saints today. I was trying to think what the opposite of intensity was after that game, now I've got to work out what the opposite of passion is too.


Laxity and apathy?
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:04 pm  
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To clarify. i'm not saying every Saints player is better than every Wigan player, but as a squad as a whole.


So your squad is better, but the players aren't. That clears it up!
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:23 pm  
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Wigan's superior attitude and culture would quite well stem from them being fully professional decades before everyone else.


Another myth!
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:06 pm  
Pie and Proud wrote:
Another myth!


Is it balls.
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:09 pm  
These team comparison arguments are boring as hell. It means absolutely sod all and some our fans comments are cringeworthy.

Squad on paper arguments are worthless, it's simply if you win or lose. This time we lost, so we can't really say too much else as it's irrelevant.

I'm not sure about this passion argument either. We just didn't play well. End of. The winning team will always appear to have more passion than the losing team. That's blindingly obvious. We just didn't play well and that result has been coming for the past couple of weeks. Nothing about passion for me.
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:16 pm  
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I'll give you Charnley. If I were picking a starting XIII from both squads, I'd go:

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4. Jones
5. Makinson
6. Green
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Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:32 pm  
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