Re: If people think we're bad... : Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:33 pm  

Th'ump wrote:

It's full of shaven-headed, chromosomal-deficient, tattooed knuckle-draggers

Oi! That's no way to talk about our women!

Re: If people think we're bad... : Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:05 pm  

jaybs wrote:

if London does fail due to the small minded attitude then I will not follow the sport any longer, i

Does that mean you stick to trolling football forums?

Re: If people think we're bad... : Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:25 pm  

Sorry giving up on London. What are we the local charity or a competition. In competition you have winners and losers.

If London lose in competition, then they face the same as everyone else. If they go bust and no one wants to buy them they face the same as everyone else.

In the end it's the communist principles of the RFL should do something to save everyone that will be the end of the game.

Did the Premier league run to the aid of Leeds United. No.
Did they run to the Aid of Portsmouth. No.

In football you stand on your own 2 feet. The development of the South in terms of Amature RL being linked to the life blood of the Broncos is as false as the never made threat that SL is only funded by Sky because of the Broncos.

In the end they are a RL club and so should be afforded the same oppertunities and responsibilities of every other RL club. The opening post simply was pouring a light on the people who moan about Saints, showing how we are not in as bad a situation as others and maybe some perspective was required. As for the rest of this thread, I am far from happy with the childish bickering, the attempts to get around the filter.

And the questionable tone of some of the comment. Had you replaced the words Lancastrian, with any nationality, some of the comments would have been hammered for being racist.

If you can't comment without dragging down the tone, then don't. Whether it be alcohol induced or not.

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:25 am  

No1 Saint wrote:

Does that mean you stick to trolling football forums?

Not sure what your problem is? but you have a very bitter attitude, we have many visitors on our London forum such as Roy H but they are shown respect, is he a troll then? you need to grow up! I except others opinions and respect them but it does not stop me fighting my corner for something I believe in.

Yorkshire clubs will only ever look after themselves! a couple of days ago we talked about Hull robbing Gateshead of a licence, what about Huddersfield robbing Sheffield Eagles? then lets consider the RFL propping up and purchasing the ground of Bradford for them? is the RFL a charity bewareshadows?

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:50 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

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All very fair points.

but.....

Whilst the current London Broncos aren't exactly breaking our southern glass ceiling, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing and certainly doesn't mean that they couldn't do a much better job.

Now, down under, Melbourne are partly owned by the ARL. Wouldn't it be an idea to find a backer, or negotiate with the current owners in order to create a situation where the RFL are taking some of the responsibility for the running of the club?
We're constantly reminded that London are there to benefit the game, so shouldn't the game try and benefit London?

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:33 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Whilst the current London Broncos aren't exactly breaking our southern glass ceiling, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing and certainly doesn't mean that they couldn't do a much better job.

Now, down under, Melbourne are partly owned by the ARL. Wouldn't it be an idea to find a backer, or negotiate with the current owners in order to create a situation where the RFL are taking some of the responsibility for the running of the club?

We're constantly reminded that London are there to benefit the game, so shouldn't the game try and benefit London?

Completely correct! what I have been saying for many years, but people choose to ignore it.

I was once interviewed by Maurice Lindsay and Rathbone at Wigan, it was around the time that Maurice had the idea of Super League, well I came away from the interview and I could not fault him with his enthusiasm but I knew back then it could be never carried out with Maurice, now we have someone like Wood who I am told was not that good as a club secretary even at Halifax running the game? it is any wonder we can't attract big money sponsors, clubs themselves are afraid of Change! and never wholeheartedly go for it, the changed to Super League really worry me, no thought just ideas ripped off Scottish football.

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:50 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

All very fair points.

but.....

Whilst the current London Broncos aren't exactly breaking our southern glass ceiling, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing and certainly doesn't mean that they couldn't do a much better job.

Now, down under, Melbourne are partly owned by the ARL. Wouldn't it be an idea to find a backer, or negotiate with the current owners in order to create a situation where the RFL are taking some of the responsibility for the running of the club?
We're constantly reminded that London are there to benefit the game, so shouldn't the game try and benefit London?

Spot on.

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:03 pm  

The reality is though the club needs a bloody good shake up. I hope the club does not fold but somehow can reinvent itself away from the stoop. However I remember Kent Invicta folding, that would cause me concern with Gillingham and I don't see many alternatives springing to mind. Perhaps the Skolars ground could be purchased and improved with the clubs coming together as Skolars but in super league.

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:14 pm  

Loz wrote:

The reality is though the club needs a bloody good shake up. I hope the club does not fold but somehow can reinvent itself away from the stoop. However I remember Kent Invicta folding, that would cause me concern with Gillingham and I don't see many alternatives springing to mind. Perhaps the Skolars ground could be purchased and improved with the clubs coming together as Skolars but in super league.

I just feel that, like so often in SL, people sit back and expect the game to sell itself, whether it be to new speccies or to sponsors. I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.

Re: If people think we're bad... : Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:32 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

All very fair points.

but.....

Whilst the current London Broncos aren't exactly breaking our southern glass ceiling, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing and certainly doesn't mean that they couldn't do a much better job.

Now, down under, Melbourne are partly owned by the ARL. Wouldn't it be an idea to find a backer, or negotiate with the current owners in order to create a situation where the RFL are taking some of the responsibility for the running of the club?
We're constantly reminded that London are there to benefit the game, so shouldn't the game try and benefit London?

The last sentence is key there. To what extent you believe that statement would be how you judge whether the RFL take responsibility for running the club.

We all know that RL clubs are in the main blackhole into which money is poured and virtually nothing can escape.

The RFL taking a share in a club creates a conflict of interests. As the RFL decide who should be in which competition. You can see the law suits coming if there was an occasion to remove a club from a league and if that club was in competition with London well the lawyers would have a field day.

There is also the extent of the blackhole, should the RFL pump in? Should the cap be removed from London? Should London have unlimited funds? Should the RFL fund London to the point where they are a top 8 side again, a league winning side, till crowds top 10,000.

It's not a simple thing to say the RFL should control London, after all it is a competition, not a co-operative. Hughes has pumped in vast amounts season after season. I am not a person who would say London should not be in SL, as because as far as I am aware they have never been up for relegation. However I am dubious about the value placed on a London side to SL.

Gillingham maybe the answer for them and if it is great. But a club is not just about making a side, it's about history, about were you are from, or where your parents are from. It's what entertains to a point, but how many Saints fans go, despite the entertainment.