Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:48 am  

theres only one stan wall wrote:

Yet you had an opinion on O'Brien on his tackling issues from a game at Swinton & a handful of first team starts.

I had an opinion on his goal line defence from watching him play for Swinton against Championship opposition. However, at no time have I written him off as a halfback on that basis! You and others probably would, mind.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:49 am  

southernsaint7 wrote:

saints no doubt thought those two (eastmond and pryce) would continue after smith and as i say we couldnt guarantee first team to smith so he went and got it. The fact Eastmond went after dollar and Leon went for lifestyle isn't saints fault

However, what IS Saints fault is to put all their eggs in one basket before securing anyone's services long term. That is just dumb and that is exactly what Saints did at the time. And now they have been dumb again.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:52 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Their three halfbacks are Foran (recruited by Vievers), Sneyd and Fages. They have mixed and matched their halfbacks, McGoldrick slipping in there for experience, just as we have Wilkin there for experience. As I've now said three times, they needed a centre, not a halfback.

No need for the childish comments either, although I don't expect much more from you to be honest.

Sneyd has played mainly at full back. so down to foran (who i think has been used as interchange hooker on occasions) fages at 7 and flaky mcgoldrick at 6. So if gaskell was any use as a 6 he'd have ripped the 6 shirt off mcgoldrick and mcgoldrick would be in the centres. If he's as good a 6 as you claim a side wouldnt sign him on loan and whack him in the centres

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:52 am  

So do you have an opinion on Ashe's creativity, passing ability or general ability to dictate or control a game rather than his ability as a whole. Or that of Gaskell for that matter as you hammer away at our supposed junior retention issues & then explain what either player would bring to our current plight.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:55 am  

southernsaint7 wrote:

Sneyd has played mainly at full back. so down to foran (who i think has been used as interchange hooker on occasions) fages at 7 and flaky mcgoldrick at 6. So if gaskell was any use as a 6 he'd have ripped the 6 shirt off mcgoldrick and mcgoldrick would be in the centres. If he's as good a 6 as you claim a side wouldnt sign him on loan and whack him in the centres

Sneyd began the season at halfback with McGoldrick at fullback. Then McGoldrick went to centre, Sneyd to fullback. Then he was shunted in at halfback initially with Foran and then Foran went to interchange hooker and Fages came in at halfback. So maybe the problem is McGoldrick?

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:56 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

However, what IS Saints fault is to put all their eggs in one basket before securing anyone's services long term. That is just dumb and that is exactly what Saints did at the time. And now they have been dumb again.

We had people coming through to replace the 6 option, if Eastmond won't deal and smith wants off theres nothing you can do when eastmond still has time on his deal. Not everything with negotiations will be saints fault you know!

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 9:59 am  

theres only one stan wall wrote:

So do you have an opinion on Ashe's creativity, passing ability or general ability to dictate or control a game rather than his ability as a whole.

He's been and gone in the blink of an eye. I remember a superb tackle which gave us the turnaround moment at Leeds. I also remember a couple of try assists. But I've only seen him twice and so my images of him are sketchy. And now I won't get the chance to form a proper opinion because he's been dropped, along with just about everyone else who has played six for Brown this year!

Or that of Gaskell for that matter as you hammer away at our supposed junior retention issues & then explain what either player would bring to our current plight.

Everyone has seen what Gaskell can do and so I don't really need to elaborate, especially when the discussion is invariably about whether people think he is good enough. That is very subjective. I think it was foolish to let go of our only fit specialist six and leave us entirely without a fit specialist six, and one with some experience too. It seems the club has come around to my way of thinking because they are now loaning a specialist six with some experience.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 10:00 am  

southernsaint7 wrote:

Not everything with negotiations will be saints fault you know!

But that one was and this current situation is.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 10:03 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

But that one was and this current situation is.

know what happened in the negotiation periods do you?

If the problem was Mcgoldrick maybe gaskell would have had the 6 shirt off him...but he is more flaky than mcgoldrick!

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Thu May 30, 2013 10:10 am  

Crikey ive flicked through the last two pages and its still taken me ages.

I like the deal, good experience for him and cover for us. People complaining about going to Warrington and asking for handouts are silly. He is better than anything we currently have who is available to play so why wouldnt we want him? Ego gets the club nowhere and i think they've done well with the deal.

Glad to see a recognised half-back at the club for a few games.