Re: Shenton to HKR : Wed May 16, 2012 9:36 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

That's more like it. lol.

I could not get it in the new Moderators Charter.

Spoilsport!

Re: Shenton to HKR : Wed May 16, 2012 9:40 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

Spoilsport!

Missed

Re: Shenton to HKR : Wed May 16, 2012 9:50 pm  

AKM wrote:

McManus has already stated to Nathan Brown that he will get his cheque book out!!!

I love posts like this. Which pub were the 3 of you in when this cropped up in conversation? Did you hear which names Nathan mentioned?

Re: Shenton to HKR : Wed May 16, 2012 10:28 pm  

Well, I heard his deal with yourselves was £120'000 a year. So, I presume he could command almost £100'000 a year elsewhere. Could probably get it at Cas (We like overpaying players). So it could cost you £20k. A decision your board have to make.

Cas had to do similar to get rid of Michael Korkidas, He was on £88'000 a year, And his next contract was for £60k, So we had to make up the difference.

Re: Shenton to HKR : Thu May 17, 2012 12:27 am  

Dettoriman wrote:

Well, I heard his deal with yourselves was £120'000 a year.

Not unless McManus disappeared down the rabbit hole and into some fantasy world of make-believe. There are living legends who didn't draw anywhere near that mark when the club was dominating SL! Shenton showed some promise - but £120k is the kind of figure you'd be looking to invest in guaranteed deliverables.

Re: Shenton to HKR : Thu May 17, 2012 6:45 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Not unless McManus disappeared down the rabbit hole and into some fantasy world of make-believe. There are living legends who didn't draw anywhere near that mark when the club was dominating SL! Shenton showed some promise - but £120k is the kind of figure you'd be looking to invest in guaranteed deliverables.

He may well have done - nobody actually knows.

He may well have been mischief making but when he signed for us Mr Shenton was widely quoted as telling his Cas team mates that it was an unbelievable deal. Like you I hope that wasn't the case as there was nothing in his pedigree that afforded him that kind of status in my view. Good yes, £100k+ a year good....no way.

None of us know the facts - despite many claiming to. I know what you mean by wanting more of a guarantee at that cost but there's none of those even if we ended up paying someone twice that amount.

In general terms it looks like somewhat of a clearout is on the cards. I have no quibble with any of it as long as (a) it's the coach that's directing it (b) it makes financial sense and (c) it makes room for a better calibre of player or prospect than they would be replacing.

Re: Shenton to HKR : Thu May 17, 2012 7:23 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Not unless McManus disappeared down the rabbit hole and into some fantasy world of make-believe. There are living legends who didn't draw anywhere near that mark when the club was dominating SL! Shenton showed some promise - but £120k is the kind of figure you'd be looking to invest in guaranteed deliverables.

Whatever tge figure are, I'd we are going to offload shenton, or perry, or hohaia, then we are highly likely to have to make up their salary, because no other club is going to pay them their current wages having seen how they have performed at saints. Any pay off like that I presume will still count against the salary cap for next season, or the next three seasons in hohaias case. I imagine we will be paying for these mistakes for a few years yet.

Re: Shenton to HKR : Thu May 17, 2012 7:35 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Whatever tge figure are, I'd we are going to offload shenton, or perry, or hohaia, then we are highly likely to have to make up their salary, because no other club is going to pay them their current wages having seen how they have performed at saints. Any pay off like that I presume will still count against the salary cap for next season, or the next three seasons in hohaias case. I imagine we will be paying for these mistakes for a few years yet.

Depends doesn't it and that's my point about nobody actually knowing. If a player asks for a release and the Club agree then it doesn't necessarily obligate the Club to pay anything. If however the decision is the Club's then the player is within his rights to seek compensation for part/all of his contractual entitlement. Or the 2 parties can agree a mutually acceptable sum which may not necessarily be equivalent to the same.

If the rumours about Perry, Laffranchi and Hohaia have any substance then I could see it that Saints grant them a release and walk away; after all who wants players that don't want to be here? If however it's us that wants rid and they want to stay then we either dig deep or put up with them until contract expiry. Let's hope it's the former as that would (with the possible exception of Laffranchi) give us some decent opportunities.

Re: Shenton to HKR : Thu May 17, 2012 9:56 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Any pay off like that I presume will still count against the salary cap for next season, or the next three seasons in hohaias case. I imagine we will be paying for these mistakes for a few years yet.

Didn't Warrington 'pay a player off' and it didn't count on their salary cap?

Sure it was Hicks

Re: Shenton to HKR : Thu May 17, 2012 10:04 am  

If you release a player you can pay off his entire contract (In reality it would be a mutually agreed severence package which wouldn't be for the full value, due to the player being able to sign elsewhere) and non of it counts on the salary cap provided the player hasn't played for the club that season.

So after this season finishes we could in theory pay off Hohaia, Shenton and Perry and non of it would go on the salary cap. We'd just be spending more if we then spent up to the cap on new players.