Re: Rush and KC : Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:13 pm  

St pete wrote:

We had runners and moved the ball around like a team that had been coachesd this week.

You have a short memory. We played like that against Wigan in the first playoff game last season, and indeed in the Good Friday game against Wigan last season, and in fact against Leeds away last season when we turned our 2011 season round with the introduction of Lomax and Gaskell.

What we saw tonight was (a) James Roby back (meaning Lance could play at halfback - and hey, Pete, do you still think he isn't a halfback?), (b) no errors, and (c) pride from our senior players and pack, which is what I've been ranting on about for weeks now. Our attitude changed and as Hohaia rightly said, all that the new coaching regime did was speak about pride in the shirt. I think our senior players were stung into finally playing properly by our new coaching regime following the sacking of our coaching staff. Glad to hear Hohaia say the performance was for Royce as well as the fans. Pity they couldn't have done it last week instead.

The test will be if they can back it up against Warrington now that a video will be available. Warrington also have a lot better defence than Leeds came up with tonight.

But whatever. It was great to get a win and finally be able to celebrate a good performance at Langtree Park.

Re: Rush and KC : Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:47 pm  

St pete wrote:

The defence looked much more organised and we was looking to really knock them down and not just pussy foot around.

We had runners and moved the ball around like a team that had been coachesd this week.

That win had little to do with brilliant coaching and revolutionary new tactics magically appearing into a vacuum over the last week which is no doubt what the kneejerk brigade will be proclaiming on here for the rest of the week. All that happened is that the players, finally relieved of whatever back-monkeys they were suffering from from the previous coaching incumbents, just went out and executed for the first time this season. There's little they did tonight that they would probably not have done under Royce without the baggage going on.

The adrenaline and natural performace boost against Wire and the Pies will likely carry them on to decent results in the next 2 games, but the real challenge will come once the regular season grind starts back in earnest after that. We'll really only see the mettle of the new guys, what they bring to the team coaching/tactics-wise and how capable of maximizing our chances come the big end of season games they are come the slog against Salford, Wakefield, London and the rest.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:01 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

You have a short memory. We played like that against Wigan in the first playoff game last season, and indeed in the Good Friday game against Wigan last season, and in fact against Leeds away last season when we turned our 2011 season round with the introduction of Lomax and Gaskell.

What we saw tonight was (a) James Roby back (meaning Lance could play at halfback - and hey, Pete, do you still think he isn't a halfback?), (b) no errors, and (c) pride from our senior players and pack, which is what I've been ranting on about for weeks now. Our attitude changed and as Hohaia rightly said, all that the new coaching regime did was speak about pride in the shirt. I think our senior players were stung into finally playing properly by our new coaching regime following the sacking of our coaching staff. Glad to hear Hohaia say the performance was for Royce as well as the fans. Pity they couldn't have done it last week instead.

The test will be if they can back it up against Warrington now that a video will be available. Warrington also have a lot better defence than Leeds came up with tonight.

But whatever. It was great to get a win and finally be able to celebrate a good performance at Langtree Park.

Lance was outstanding last night, great kicking game, Played with his head up and didn't look like he got out of 3rd gear. He played the role we've been in dire need of.

It's only one game tho, even Jon wilkin played good at 6 against Leeds once and then was gash the following week.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:27 am  

Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.

I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!

Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.

Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:54 am  

paulscunthorpe wrote:

Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.

I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!

Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.

Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons

Great Post well said Sir, spot on

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:26 am  

paulscunthorpe wrote:

Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.

I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!

Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.

Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons

I'll second that

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:20 am  

paulscunthorpe wrote:

Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best. If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth. We'd have had Lomax and Gaskell in the halves, Makinson on the wing, Meli in the centres, Wheeler in the 20s, TP at prop, Wilkin at Second Row, Clough at Loose, and the final piece - Hohaia on the bench, with no size in the other three subs.

I don't think kc and rush have coached the team to play that way, I just think they've removed the over cautious tactics of Simmons. I don't think we'd see so many offloads all year as tonight, and not once the "lomax, gaskell, wellens" move, which was so obvious, and desperately showed wello's pace up!

Somebody said our only tactic of five drives and see how far gaskell can hoof it was all we had.

Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons

The enormous performance boost from Bradford to Leeds was 95% down to the players pulling their fingers out for the first time this season - fact. No coach who has ever lived could pull around that kind of transformation that quickly purely off his own bat. Royce is now revealed as clearly not the man to take Saints forward and should probably never have had the job in the first place, noone is arguing that, but the players we had out against Bradford and Hull should have won both games with whatever tactics they were employing, and would have done so easily had they put in even remotely the same kind of stint they did against Leeds. The players must shoulder more of the blame than Simmons, an honest guy doing his best who was just a little out of his depth and unable to cope with Player Power at the end of the day.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:56 am  

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:01 pm  

paulscunthorpe wrote:

Anyone who believes Simmons wasn't the issue is delusional at best.

Some slightly less than gifted people always resort to childish insults at these times I find. Very silly.

If Royce was still in charge, we'd have never played like that, no.way on earth.

Well, you will never know will you. We certainly played that well at times last season, with just not quite as many offloads. We need to be careful with that as Warrington will be far more savvy than Leeds were.

Anyone criticising the decisions to remove Royce has gone strangely quiet. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'm 100% sure, we'd have never played like that tonight under Simmons

Except me of course. I stand by my position because I still believe it was the wrong thing to do. It is a pity that there was not another way to kick the backsides of our senior players and it's a shame players can have unprofessional attitudes and get away with it completely scot-free. That doesn't happen in any other field of employment.

Re: Rush and KC : Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:03 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

The enormous performance boost from Bradford to Leeds was 95% down to the players pulling their fingers out for the first time this season - fact. No coach who has ever lived could pull around that kind of transformation that quickly purely off his own bat. Royce is now revealed as clearly not the man to take Saints forward and should probably never have had the job in the first place, noone is arguing that, but the players we had out against Bradford and Hull should have won both games with whatever tactics they were employing, and would have done so easily had they put in even remotely the same kind of stint they did against Leeds. The players must shoulder more of the blame than Simmons, an honest guy doing his best who was just a little out of his depth and unable to cope with Player Power at the end of the day.

I find the players simpering support for Simmons to be a little sickening. It was their performances that lost him his job, and to dedicate last night's perfomrace to him is really just a kick in the slats. Having said that, I am absolutely delighted that we have at last turned in a top performance, and if Simmons was sacrificed to that end, then so be it.