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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:14 pm  
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I'm genuinely concerned that we're going into a new stadium with one of our weakest SL squads, possibly one of the weakest we've had. Losing Pryce and Graham is a massive blow IMO.


I think it's a strong squad.

Jammer is great, but he's not irreplaceable. There's nothing to suggest that sharing the workload around Puletua/LMS/Perry/Laffranchi/Clough won't be more effective than flogging Jammer to death every week. Those are 5 very high quality props. With Roby at hooker and the likes of Soliola and Wilkin in the back row, I don't share the Jammer doom and gloom. Our pack looks very good for 2012, even without Jammer.

We then have lots of pace around the backs, something we've whinged about for years. There's nothing to suggest that Lance won't offer as much, probably much more, than 2011 Leon for us. He certainly doesn't shy away from getting involved and I've seen him break down the best defences in the NRL over the years.

Eastmond of 2010 leaving is a blow. Eastmond of 2011 isn't.

All our young players are a year down the line and Meli is proving to be a very damaging centre.

Lomax (or Lance) at full back would add a dimension to our game we haven't had for years and years.

I think our 2012 squad could very well prove to be better than any of the last few years.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:18 pm  
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Even at U15's I could pass the ball left and right,

Really? Well I never knew!

When you're trying to blend in inexperienced young players, however, when your halves change every bloody week, it's much easier for your young and inexperienced players to pass to the left if they are right handed, especially if one of the more willing chimers into the line - Wello - plays on the left. If that is what you are talking about when you refer to tactics - making things simple for young, inexperienced halfbacks - then I agree with you. However, if you think Royce Simmons' game plan is to pass to the left regardless of the opposition then I think you're off your head. The only team I can believe he would approach with a deliberate pass to the left ploy as a game plan would be Wigan, since the Tomkins/Charnley partnership is their weak link defensively.

You might not have noticed, but playing at first grade is slightly tougher than playing for the u20s.

(Well, it is at our end of the table anyway)
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:36 pm  
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Jammer is great, but he's not irreplaceable. There's nothing to suggest that sharing the workload around Puletua/LMS/Perry/Laffranchi/Clough won't be more effective than flogging Jammer to death every week. Those are 5 very high quality props. With Roby at hooker and the likes of Soliola and Wilkin in the back row, I don't share the Jammer doom and gloom. Our pack looks very good for 2012, even without Jammer.


Graham was impossible to replace. He is a leader, he is a talisman of our team, a one off. Laffranchi is a good player, but he's a back rower and we're still short in the front row. Thank god Puletua re-signed otherwise we'd have been in huge trouble. Let's just hope Perry gets fit, but when he's played this year he's been garbage. He has alot to live upto next year - he could well be key for us next year due to his size. LMS is a good player and so is Clough, although he's another converted back rower.

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We then have lots of pace around the backs, something we've whinged about for years. There's nothing to suggest that Lance won't offer as much, probably much more, than 2011 Leon for us. He certainly doesn't shy away from getting involved and I've seen him break down the best defences in the NRL over the years.


We don't really have any out an out speedsters do we? Foster isn't rapid, neither is Meli, Gardner or Shenton. Shenton has done OK, but like recruitment in other areas he hasn't been upto the standard of previous incumbents such as Lyon and Gidley and that's why our standards have dipped over the last 5 years. There's nothing to suggest Lance will offer as much either. We'll have to see on that one. He is talented, but I'm concerned he'll be our only experienced half back when he's not played there for 5 years. His career was made when he switched to full back and he's not looked back since. Playing alongside Pryce would've made his job far easier and he could've focussed on playing the more supporting role in the halves and playing a running game allowing Pryce to organise. There's alot of pressure on Hohaia next year especially with regards to the organising and kicking, which I've never really noted him for, certainly when I've watched him for NZ and NZ Warriors.

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Eastmond of 2010 leaving is a blow. Eastmond of 2011 isn't.


If Eastmond had signed a new deal with us, it would never have been an issue. He would've been playing at 7 for us without the media and fans circus that came with the way he conducted himself.

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...and Meli is proving to be a very damaging centre.


I agree on that. An absolute revelation and I rate him as our best back player.

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Lomax (or Lance) at full back would add a dimension to our game we haven't had for years and years.


But neither will play there. Hohaia will play at 7 and Lomax will probably play at 6, with Wellens at full back. That makes us weaker as Pryce is better than them as half backs. Pryce and Lomax in the halves with Hohaia at 1 is a more dangerous combination and would've been exciting and quite well balanced.

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I think our 2012 squad could very well prove to be better than any of the last few years.


We've lost our best prop, we've lost our best strike player and we've lost one of the most talented young players in the game, despite his problems. We've replaced them with 2 back rowers (one who will play prop) and a full back (who will play in the halves). Don't get me wrong Flanagan, Laffranchi and Hohaia are good players but they're not as good as the three leaving. I reckon we're two or three quality players short certainly at prop and full back.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:41 pm  
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I agree on that. An absolute revelation and I rate him as our best back player.

You think? He loves his 'don't look' chuck to Foster, even when he forgets to aim the ball to Foster and having just watched the tries show I love his 'stand and do nothing' approach to defence, leaving Foster exposed on the wing yet again.

Sure, he's pulled off some great tries and helped Foster pull off some great tries but he's still a liability, just a more contained liability.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:43 pm  
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You think? He loves his 'don't look' chuck to Foster, even when he forgets to aim the ball to Foster and having just watched the tries show I love his 'stand and do nothing' approach to defence, leaving Foster exposed on the wing yet again.

Sure, he's pulled off some great tries and helped Foster pull off some great tries but he's still a liability, just a more contained liability.


Foster has had so many walk ins this year and that's because Meli puts it on a plate for him. We wouldn't have scored in the semi final if it hadn't been for Meli putting Foster in for two good tries. Sure, he can be lazy at times but without him we'd have been very blunt offensively.

11 tries and 14 assists from Meli - quality.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:53 pm  
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11 tries and 14 assists from Meli - quality.

But - as with when he has played on the wing - that counts for nought if he stands around at the other end and leaves Foster on his own to try and stop hurtling wingers from doing damage over our line. And he does just that.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:00 pm  
I've already acknowledged that Meli can be lazy at times - so was Kevin Iro, but he was still a class player!

Francis Meli this year has been our best back player, we predominatently attack down our left hand side because we know we're likely to get some joy whenever Meli gets involved with the play. I wish we had a few more attacking players like Meli in our side.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:21 pm  
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I've already acknowledged that Meli can be lazy at times - so was Kevin Iro, but he was still a class player!

Francis Meli this year has been our best back player, we predominatently attack down our left hand side because we know we're likely to get some joy whenever Meli gets involved with the play. I wish we had a few more attacking players like Meli in our side.


Meli has been our best attacking back this year and that shows how poor we've become.

Les be honest tho we've not got the best attacking backs. Wello, foster, shenton couldn't beat a blind man with no arms.
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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:39 pm  
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Meli has been our best attacking back this year and that shows how poor we've become.

Les be honest tho we've not got the best attacking backs. Wello, foster, shenton couldn't beat acblind man with no arms.



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Re: Team for Next Season : Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:51 pm  
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Les be honest tho we've not got the best attacking backs. Wello, foster, shenton couldn't beat a blind man with no arms.

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