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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:04 pm  
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Now? Mathematically impossible. But I was responding to the specific reference to what league position we were in at this time last season.
Touche, however, surely a comparison to said point could only be an accurate gauge if our fixtures were in the same order?Surely if we came 2nd in the league table and 2nd in the playoffs (given wigan came 1st in both), sureley we were the 2nd best team? Remind me how Wire did in the playoffs last year?
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:28 pm  
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Surely if we came 2nd in the league table and 2nd in the playoffs (given wigan came 1st in both), sureley we were the 2nd best team? Remind me how Wire did in the playoffs last year?

I don't do that play offs position thing. I think it's just fans who do that. The only table position of any value to me is the league table at the end of the season. Warrington couldn't beat us last season. They hadn't beaten us in 16 seasons at KR. It was the Cunningham effect. That was the only problem with Warrington in the play offs. Had they not met us, they could have easily been the ones to face Wigan at GF last season instead of us. IMO obviously because I cannot produce evidence, proof or immutable expert reports to back up my point before anyone demands the same!
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:35 pm  
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The only table position of any value to me is the league table at the end of the season.
Then how can come you claim we were the 3rd best team last year, when we finished 2nd in the table?

And by the way, after losing to us, Wire were then knocked out by Huddersfield, who we then knocked out in the following round.
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:16 pm  
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I don't do that play offs position thing. I think it's just fans who do that.


And the RFL.

We beat Wire in the league and in the play offs but we were a worse team? :IDEA:
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:52 pm  
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Then how can come you claim we were the 3rd best team last year, when we finished 2nd in the table?

I was simply expressing an opinion. I have no problem with us nicking second from Warrington in the last match by two points difference points. None whatsoever! But I don't think we were a better team last season than Warrington. We were just luckier. And we had no hoodoos.

And by the way, after losing to us, Wire were then knocked out by Huddersfield, who we then knocked out in the following round.

Aye. But that's what tended to happen to Warrington after we beat them. It was routine. We would screw up their season. Don't you remember? I used to find that amusing. Ha! I don't now. I'd give a fiver for us to actually be able to beat them before this year ends!
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:29 pm  
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I was simply expressing an opinion.
But you're mad - MAD I TELL YOU.
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We were just luckier.
Good teams make their own luck, sweets and Hoodoos are for losers. We'd have won the past four titles if it wasn't for our Grand Final hoodoo.
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:43 pm  
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But you're mad - MAD I TELL YOU.

Now THAT is definitely a FACT.
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:18 am  
personally i don't think simmons has improved us in anyway, with arguably a stronger squad this year. fwiw I don't think we'd have finished 2nd with potter, because simply put wire and wigan are better than us. saying that i would suggest that under potter we wouldn't have lost to wigan twice (hammered in one) and warrington twice (hammered in one).. defense is the biggest concern, I honestly feel when we're on our line, especially against wigan and warrington, we're going to concede a try, i have NO confidence in our line defence..

to say we just got second is ridiculous, we got 2nd by right, nothing else

our attack is no better, we're all to content on the 'barge over' tries, for example this year LMS and Graham have scored 6 tries each, other than LMS against huddersfield, I'd suggest they were all from under 2 yards. compare that to Coley and Lima at wigan, 1 each, morley and carvell have 2 each at wire.. we obviously still focus on barge over tries this year.. in the top 25 try scorers, wigan have 4 of their 5 backs in the there, warrington have all seven of their first choice backs (hodgson, king, atkins, bridge, monaghan, briers, myler) in there too, saints have foster.. done mean to dwell on the stats, but a third of our tries are scored in the forwards (50/107)

what i think it is important is that on balance, potter and simmons have had similar problems.. if you want to talk about injuries, then potter had an equally bad run.. we went 16 SL games on the trot with a minimum of 6 players out, the worst being at wakefield were we had 9 missing (soliola, eastmond, cunningham, flannery, dean, wheeler, dixon, faasavalu, lomax), we also won at wigan without gardner, soliola, eastmond, wilkin, wheeler, faasavalu and lomax.. potter brought through (albeit enforced) foster, lomax, dixon, ashurst, emmitt and dean, who although been on the fringes for a year or two, all played a third of the season last year.. simmons has only really had to use gaskell, magennis and makinson this year who have very little experience..

again, i'm sick of going on about it, but the subs policy is a joke, simple as.. i've not got the stats, but it'd be interesting to see how many minutes that 4th sub has played, i'd suggest it averages about ten minutes. what bothers me is the three games when we've been desperate in the forwards (bradford away, hull kr away and wigan CC) we've persisted with a back on the bench, when we're crying out for a forward.. i wouldn't be bothered but with wilkin and moore who can cover the halves, flannery and soliola who can cover the centres, which in turn frees up meli and shenny to cover wing and full back, plus lomax who can cover anywhere.. in all honestly, the back on the bench is the one thing that REALLY winds me up over simmons.. people say "well roby can play all the match, so we don't need a spare hooker, we're the same as everyone else" well instead of us turning that into an advantage by having an extra forward, we just bring ourselves down..

anyway the original point, simmons has done no more than potter for me, the only thing he has is that he has far more personality than potter ever did.. but then again, it's not who i'd like a pint with on a friday night
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:13 pm  
I don't think much of him.
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Re: Royston Simmons - Any good? : Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:19 pm  
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I don't think much of him.
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