Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:30 pm  

I can see were St.Pete is coming from in that Jamie is no Jason Robinson or Martin Offiah on the wing able to score a try from nothing.

However there has always been a role for the good alround points machine on the wing.
I'm minded of people like Paul Eastwood, Michael O'Connor, Frano Botica, Hazeem el Masri. These guys were not the best try scoring wingers out there, however when they brought there kicking game into the equation, it helped them rise above their fellow RL players.

For a guy like Jamie to have already scored over 500 points for St.Helens and have only just turned 21 years of age is phenomenal. He is already in the top 40 all time points scorers at St.Helens in what is really is first full season as a starting player.
Put it this way if he keeps accruing points as he has done this season. Then he will overtake Len Killeen within 2 seasons. That will put him in the top 10 points scorers for Saints of all time.

Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:52 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

I can see were St.Pete is coming from in that Jamie is no Jason Robinson or Martin Offiah on the wing able to score a try from nothing.

However there has always been a role for the good alround points machine on the wing.
I'm minded of people like Paul Eastwood, Michael O'Connor, Frano Botica, Hazeem el Masri. These guys were not the best try scoring wingers out there, however when they brought there kicking game into the equation, it helped them rise above their fellow RL players.

For a guy like Jamie to have already scored over 500 points for St.Helens and have only just turned 21 years of age is phenomenal. He is already in the top 40 all time points scorers at St.Helens in what is really is first full season as a starting player.
Put it this way if he keeps accruing points as he has done this season. Then he will overtake Len Killeen within 2 seasons. That will put him in the top 10 points scorers for Saints of all time.

Well said.

Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:25 pm  

saint at wire wrote:

Well said.

And exactly what I was trying to say.

His points record for a young guy is unreal. Ifs stays at saints he'll smash every points record by miles.

He's got to be worth 10 points for the team each season with his points scoring.

I've no doubt we'd not be 3rd in the league without Jamie, we'd be 4th/5th. The kick against Cas and the kick at hull saved us losing 4 points.

Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:59 pm  

Saint94 wrote:

Just the one? I seem to remember a match when he missed two or three kickable ones when we narrowly got beat in awful conditions.

There was. When we got him to sign the "Bomb Disposal" flag, he asked for us not to make one about his kicking.

Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:12 pm  

We lost enough games in the couple of seasons before Jamie simply through missing kicks. So even if he only stood there the rest of the time he'd be worth having. But as has been said he's a good finisher and his enthusiasm is clearly visible, and his overall game is improving all the time. He is without doubt a huge asset to the team.

Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:17 pm  

Saint_Claire wrote:

We lost enough games in the couple of seasons before Jamie simply through missing kicks. So even if he only stood there the rest of the time he'd be worth having. But as has been said he's a good finisher and his enthusiasm is clearly visible, and his overall game is improving all the time. He is without doubt a huge asset to the team.

His kicking is a huge asset and we'd struggled for a good goal kicker before Jamie came in.

Re: Foster leaving? : Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:41 pm  

All i can say is darryl halligan, any doggies fan will know
their record points scorer. Average winger but a points machine
and a record breaker. Jamie could be the same

Re: Foster leaving? : Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:22 am  

Maybe its just me but I would have an "average" winger like Foster, who scores 18 tries a season and kicks goals for fun in my team. For the first time since 2006 we have a reliable goal kicker in the team which is a great bonus as we have seen this year with games against Cas and Hull just to name 2 examples. Compare his stats to the 2 current England international wingers this season and Foster has 18 tries in 22 games (including the first 3/4 games where Royce played him off the bench and only got the last 10 minutes), Tom Briscoe has played in 23 full games and scored 16 tries and Ryan Hall has played 22 full games and scored 18 tries also...not a bad average I would say. Add onto that the 98 goals he has kicked and he is very valuable to the team I would say. For such a young bloke he is very confident, safe under the high ball, returns kicks well, finishes tries and his kicking is an added bonus - not sure what else people would want from him?? As for his try scoring abilities, all I can say is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iViwER2lBY

Maybe its just me but I would have an "average" winger like Foster, who scores 18 tries a season and kicks goals for fun in my team. For the first time since 2006 we have a reliable goal kicker in the team which is a great bonus as we have seen this year with games against Cas and Hull just to name 2 examples. Compare his stats to the 2 current England international wingers this season and Foster has 18 tries in 22 games (including the first 3/4 games where Royce played him off the bench and only got the last 10 minutes), Tom Briscoe has played in 23 full games and scored 16 tries and Ryan Hall has played 22 full games and scored 18 tries also...not a bad average I would say. Add onto that the 98 goals he has kicked and he is very valuable to the team I would say. For such a young bloke he is very confident, safe under the high ball, returns kicks well, finishes tries and his kicking is an added bonus - not sure what else people would want from him?? As for his try scoring abilities, all I can say is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iViwER2lBY

Re: Foster leaving? : Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:02 pm  

wakey_saint wrote: Maybe its just me but I would have an "average" winger like Foster, who scores 18 tries a season and kicks goals for fun in my team. For the first time since 2006 we have a reliable goal kicker in the team which is a great bonus as we have seen this year with games against Cas and Hull just to name 2 examples. Compare his stats to the 2 current England international wingers this season and Foster has 18 tries in 22 games (including the first 3/4 games where Royce played him off the bench and only got the last 10 minutes), Tom Briscoe has played in 23 full games and scored 16 tries and Ryan Hall has played 22 full games and scored 18 tries also...not a bad average I would say. Add onto that the 98 goals he has kicked and he is very valuable to the team I would say. For such a young bloke he is very confident, safe under the high ball, returns kicks well, finishes tries and his kicking is an added bonus - not sure what else people would want from him?? As for his try scoring abilities, all I can say is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iViwER2lBY He has also taken most of the randomness in defence from that side. Ok he had a brain fart on Friday (love the way everyone is using this, trying to think of another phrase to resurrect), but the days of Meli giving away surprise tries seam to be over.

wakey_saint wrote: Maybe its just me but I would have an "average" winger like Foster, who scores 18 tries a season and kicks goals for fun in my team. For the first time since 2006 we have a reliable goal kicker in the team which is a great bonus as we have seen this year with games against Cas and Hull just to name 2 examples. Compare his stats to the 2 current England international wingers this season and Foster has 18 tries in 22 games (including the first 3/4 games where Royce played him off the bench and only got the last 10 minutes), Tom Briscoe has played in 23 full games and scored 16 tries and Ryan Hall has played 22 full games and scored 18 tries also...not a bad average I would say. Add onto that the 98 goals he has kicked and he is very valuable to the team I would say. For such a young bloke he is very confident, safe under the high ball, returns kicks well, finishes tries and his kicking is an added bonus - not sure what else people would want from him?? As for his try scoring abilities, all I can say is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iViwER2lBY He has also taken most of the randomness in defence from that side. Ok he had a brain fart on Friday (love the way everyone is using this, trying to think of another phrase to resurrect), but the days of Meli giving away surprise tries seam to be over.

Re: Foster leaving? : Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:23 pm  

It's a great compliment to such a young player just starting his career and still learning that Foster is openly compared to other great wingers.

Foster missed out on the decent wage because he signed a contract before the other youngsters. He wasn't in the first team regularly and all he had then was 'potential'. He was very happy with the deal then.

However, his fellow youngsters coming through with him all signed a little later after they'd been covering for injuries etc. and had shown more of what they were capable of. Consequently people like Lomax got a much better deal.

Rightly or wrongly this grates on Foster now and he's trying to renegotiate a deal more on a par with his colleagues of a similar age.

Consequently, stories like the daft one above come out as rumours.

Good luck to the lad. I hope he stays a Saint and gets a good deal. There are many people employed as 'Managers' or 'Business Development Managers' at Saints getting a lot more money than Foster.