Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:06 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I'm a great admirer of James Graham however, I wouldn't describe him as a classic ball player.
I'd have him in my team in a heartbeat though!
Best thing about Graham is that you get 80 minutes of total full on commitment every week. You can't buy that as Marwan knows!

James graham is a great ball player, in fact andrew Johns described him as being a better ball player than most halves in the NRL.

The guy leeds signed on is also a ball playing prop.

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:13 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

SBW, Gareth Ellis, Jon Wilkin (seriously), Sculthorpe, Farrell, S Burgess.

Just to get the ball rolling.

I haven't seen enough of SBW so can't comment but sorry can't agree on the rest.
Hock is a throwback and there are very few if any decent ball handlers playing in the forwards in SL in my opinion. Today's coaches and fans just dont want someone who can create gaps but at the risk of loosing possession. Sad but true me thinks.
If you'd have said a player going back further say George Nicholls then ok but non of the present or recent crew.

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:17 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Not a classic ball player yet he's first receiver for most of Canterbury's plays. You don't half talk rubbish.

A classic ball playing forward wouldn't normally take the ball as first receiver.
Not rubbish just an opinion that's differnt to yours.
It's your opinion so your right and its my opinion so I'm right. Simple really.

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:18 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I haven't seen enough of SBW so can't comment but sorry can't agree on the rest.
Hock is a throwback and there are very few if any decent ball handlers playing in the forwards in SL in my opinion. Today's coaches and fans just dont want someone who can create gaps but at the risk of loosing possession. Sad but true me thinks.
If you'd have said a player going back further say George Nicholls then ok but non of the present or recent crew.

Hock has a good off load buts never a ball player in million years

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:24 pm  

St pete wrote:

Hock has a good off load buts never a ball player in million years

I watched Gareth from the under 8's through to signing professional and he had it all but unfortunately he has thrown it away.
With the right attitude he could have been a great player.
A sad loss but the game will move on and unfortunately will only remember his faults which to a large degree he deserves.

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:26 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I haven't seen enough of SBW so can't comment but sorry can't agree on the rest.
Hock is a throwback and there are very few if any decent ball handlers playing in the forwards in S

L in my opinion. Today's coaches and fans just dont want someone who can create gaps but at the risk of loosing possession. Sad but true me thinks.
If you'd have said a player going back further say George Nicholls then ok but non of the present or recent crew.

It depends on your definition of ball handler. Wilkin has unbelievable hands for a forward and Sean O'Loughli is another I forgot.

If you're talking about hitting the line and offloading, which isn't really ball playing, then I'd narrow the list to SBW, Ellis, S Burgess who were all better at busting tackles and putting people away. All just opinions of course!

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:30 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

It depends on your definition of ball handler. Wilkin has unbelievable hands for a forward and Sean O'Loughli is another I forgot.

If you're talking about hitting the line and offloading, which isn't really ball playing, then I'd narrow the list to SBW, Ellis, S Burgess who were all better at busting tackles and putting people away. All just opinions of course!

Indeed!

Re: Hock : Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:58 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

It depends on your definition of ball handler. Wilkin has unbelievable hands for a forward and Sean O'Loughli is another I forgot.

If you're talking about hitting the line and offloading, which isn't really ball playing, then I'd narrow the list to SBW, Ellis, S Burgess who were all better at busting tackles and putting people away. All just opinions of course!

Manu???

Re: Hock : Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:29 am  

David Solomona was a belting ball handler and offloader.

Re: Hock : Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:11 am  

Wouldn't describe James Graham as a classic ball player yet Hock is the best ball handling forward of the past decade !

Wiganers. Brilliant.