Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:08 am  

McManus phrased it well. It needs looking at by all clubs at all levels. Player safety is paramount and it's quite clear where the line is.

Wigan are clearly the worst at this in SL however. They devised most of the awful techniques like attacking the standing leg knee joint under Maguire and it's continued under Wane. It won't take much for Wigan to fix and go back to succeeding legally. I think Leneghan can see this now, I'll bet he massively regrets the Wigan documentary and it's content and I'll bet he's had a word with Wane about how they go about things.

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:26 am  

Saddened! wrote:

McManus phrased it well. It needs looking at by all clubs at all levels. Player safety is paramount and it's quite clear where the line is.

Wigan are clearly the worst at this in SL however. They devised most of the awful techniques like attacking the standing leg knee joint under Maguire and it's continued under Wane. It won't take much for Wigan to fix and go back to succeeding legally. I think Leneghan can see this now, I'll bet he massively regrets the Wigan documentary and it's content and I'll bet he's had a word with Wane about how they go about things.

I thought at the time that the doco could come back to haunt them when a coach is basically saying you have a free reign to cause damage

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:41 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

a) if Masoe had connected with gellings head, it would of been exactly the same as every tackle as SOL did on Masoe (I don't know what Masoe did to hack SOL off but he did a fantastic job of frustrating him out of the game imo) - but this is my biggest pet hate about rugby fans - if your player did something illegal than this thing that actually happened would be okay - well Masoe didn't connect (unlike SOL did on several occasions without being penalised.)

b) how do you know it was Masoes intention? Seems to me Saints plan was to rattle the cage knowing Wigan would overstep the mark and it would throw them off the game plan. I don't think it was ever our intention to decapitate anyone, and even if it was, Gelling would not of been our target!

C) no, let's not be naive, I'm sure there are other coaches who try and be motivators in that way. However, Wane has been the most vocal and open about it. He was the first person I've ever known to associate the word "hate" towards a saints wigan Derby. I don't hate wigan, I always thought we were above that. By taking it to that level trouble is always going to start.

No it wouldn't. We got a penalty.

His intent was clear.

Agree with you about the hating thing. I posted at the time that it was unnecessary, and quite simply untrue. I hope he learns from all this because he hasn't come out of it at all well.

I don't believe that Wigan are any dirtier than any other team. The seasonal penalty count and sin bin and sending off count rather cinfirms this.

And just to add Maguire didn't start the third man in tactic it was Brown at Huddersfield. Good coaching I'm afraid to say.

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:41 pm  

Maybe we should use this as a yard stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI

Maybe we should use this as a yard stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:35 pm  

Yep not one of them stooped so low as to hit an unconscious player. But I'm sure if you want to go back over 20 years, then you will find plenty of Wiganers doing equally nasty shots. Skerritt had a whole school of dirty tactics.

But well done for going off topic.

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:19 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Yep not one of them stooped so low as to hit an unconscious player. But I'm sure if you want to go back over 20 years, then you will find plenty of Wiganers doing equally nasty shots. Skerritt had a whole school of dirty tactics.

But well done for going off topic.

Or maybe talk about Ken Gee, Joe Egan or Frank Collier perhaps.
Quite silly all this, as you say, not one mentioned would have hit an unconscious player like Flower did. Can't change the facts I'm afraid.

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:57 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Yep not one of them stooped so low as to hit an unconscious player. But I'm sure if you want to go back over 20 years, then you will find plenty of Wiganers doing equally nasty shots. Skerritt had a whole school of dirty tactics.

But well done for going off topic.

Barrie Mac was a nice clean player also. Hock and Newton was lovely clean players

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:21 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Yep not one of them stooped so low as to hit an unconscious player. But I'm sure if you want to go back over 20 years, then you will find plenty of Wiganers doing equally nasty shots. Skerritt had a whole school of dirty tactics.

But well done for going off topic.

It isn't going off topic at all. Most of this thread has been turned into a general dig at Wigan and not about the original topic. I am merely pointing with good illustration that all clubs use aggressive defence which sometimes oversteps the mark. It's a long way down from that moral high horse!

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:10 am  

[quote="AboveusonlypieAnd just to add Maguire didn't start the third man in tactic it was Brown at Huddersfield. Good coaching I'm afraid to say.[/quote]

It was actually started by Mike Gregory, the late Terry Newton mentions it in his book "Come Clean" the adopted tactics from Mike Gregory was to injure the opponent he had a name for it, something like "Tackle and Tear" or "Rip and Tear".
Terry Newton loved it because it was a big part of his game, Maquire and Wane have properly took it to another level.

Re: Flower gets 6 month Ban : Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:03 am  

Maguire came from the Storm, who under Bellamy took wrestling and similar to whole new levels. The other teams and coaches mentioned are amateurs by comparison.