Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:21 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Hohaia would be the obvious choice with Wheeler at 6. Or give one of the lads from the academy a chance.

Fozard didn't embarrass himself vs widnes, what harm could it do?

The problem with using hohaia at 9 is wheeler - who honestly could trust him to play week in week out?

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:30 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Fozard didn't embarrass himself vs widnes, what harm could it do?

The problem with using hohaia at 9 is wheeler - who honestly could trust him to play week in week out?

It's got to better having a player doing a good 30 min spell giving robes a rest than having wello sat on the bench for 66 mins each week.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:38 pm  

St pete wrote: It's got to better having a player doing a good 30 min spell giving robes a rest than having wello sat on the bench for 66 mins each week. I agree entirely. The amount of work Roby is getting through is phenomenal, but it's really getting to him. He had a good game today though. Our current top 5 tacklers: Code: Select all Roby       370 Wilkin     219 Soliola    213 Jones      187 Laffranchi 181 Aka Roby is doing the work of 2 grafters!

St pete wrote: It's got to better having a player doing a good 30 min spell giving robes a rest than having wello sat on the bench for 66 mins each week. I agree entirely. The amount of work Roby is getting through is phenomenal, but it's really getting to him. He had a good game today though. Our current top 5 tacklers: Code: Select all Roby       370 Wilkin     219 Soliola    213 Jones      187 Laffranchi 181 Aka Roby is doing the work of 2 grafters!

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:48 pm  

I tell you what. Who has been missing since we started losing?????
Laffranchi. I thought he was good his first season. Over powered in his second. But this 3rd season has made one thing clear to me. He will do the graft. He tackles. Sure he could not punch his way past the big fella's but he does the stuff no one cares about until we lose some. Before we were losing it was all about having big go forward.

Now we are losing it's all about defense. Well you need that defense, not everyone can be an impact prop.

I would have no problem putting Laffranchi in my first team from now to the end of the season.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:53 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I tell you what. Who has been missing since we started losing?????
Laffranchi. I thought he was good his first season. Over powered in his second. But this 3rd season has made one thing clear to me. He will do the graft. He tackles. Sure he could not punch his way past the big fella's but he does the stuff no one cares about until we lose some. Before we were losing it was all about having big go forward.

Now we are losing it's all about defense. Well you need that defense, not everyone can be an impact prop.

I would have no problem putting Laffranchi in my first team from now to the end of the season.

Brave statement on here but equally true. Laffranchi wins the ruck whilst tackling, which is our massive problem recently.

As I said at the time, laffranchi isn't the forward to win you momentum, but he's very capable of ... Pausing the momentum battle, whilst Amor/ walmsley rest on the bench (if that makes any sense) - the stats does back it up. Also, laffranchi generally made a point of getting up on the kickers and putting them under pressure. I think I could put in decent kicks with the time we allowed Leeds to today.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:54 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote: I agree entirely. The amount of work Roby is getting through is phenomenal, but it's really getting to him. He had a good game today though. Our current top 5 tacklers: Code: Select all Roby       370 Wilkin     219 Soliola    213 Jones      187 Laffranchi 181 Aka Roby is doing the work of 2 grafters! Agreed, and by doing all this work in defence, we are losing his running from dummy half which 90% of the time gets us on front foot and we get a roll on.

Magic Superbeetle wrote: I agree entirely. The amount of work Roby is getting through is phenomenal, but it's really getting to him. He had a good game today though. Our current top 5 tacklers: Code: Select all Roby       370 Wilkin     219 Soliola    213 Jones      187 Laffranchi 181 Aka Roby is doing the work of 2 grafters! Agreed, and by doing all this work in defence, we are losing his running from dummy half which 90% of the time gets us on front foot and we get a roll on.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:57 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I tell you what. Who has been missing since we started losing?????
Laffranchi. I thought he was good his first season. Over powered in his second. But this 3rd season has made one thing clear to me. He will do the graft. He tackles. Sure he could not punch his way past the big fella's but he does the stuff no one cares about until we lose some. Before we were losing it was all about having big go forward.

Now we are losing it's all about defense. Well you need that defense, not everyone can be an impact prop.

I would have no problem putting Laffranchi in my first team from now to the end of the season.

If laffranchi plays, he's got to be the starting prop with Amor. My only concern is he has no go forward.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:58 pm  

St pete wrote:

Agreed, and by doing all this work in defence, we are losing his running from dummy half which 90% of the time gets us on front foot and we get a roll on.

We're not getting a role on because we insist on the back 3 take the first 3 drives in EVERY set and it's predictable, and easy for opposition to turtle them and slow us down ... But that's a whole other matter

Doing so much work Roby has just lost his sharpness in his running and passing game, and everything gets broken down from there. (No criticism of the guy mind, he can do no wrong, it's up to the others to take work of him, or for the coach to recognise he's getting over worked and rotate)

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:01 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

We're not getting a role on because we insist on the back 3 take the first 3 drives in EVERY set and it's predictable, and easy for opposition to turtle them and slow us down ... But that's a whole other matter

Doing so much work Roby has just lost his sharpness in his running and passing game, and everything gets broken down from there. (No criticism of the guy mind, he can do no wrong, it's up to the others to take work of him, or for the coach to recognise he's getting over worked and rotate)

Tbh the pack is just a mess. Simple as that.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:08 pm  

I would stick with the back 3, no time to lose confidence.
To me Turner has lost the shirt and should have to earn it back.
I would have Jones and Percival in the centres.
Walsh is a gimme if fit.
I would regardless of attitude play Wheeler at 6. It is nonsense to not play him. Wilkin or Wellens at 6 is a total waste of time.

Props Amor/Laffranchi/Masoe/Walmsley
Hooker: Roby (Lance on the bench we are wasting Roby and his lack of rest 'he played the WC as well' is beginning to show)
2nd row & LF: Manu, Sia, Savelio
Then any of greenwood/Walker/Thompson

I know some are currently injured and we have to fill. But tactically we need to recognise some players are just being wasted. Others frozen out for non-playing reasons. Well if we could afford that great. But frankly we can't. Sure we will beat London and Bradford. But if Roby is still doing full 80's in the next few weeks and has no interchange hooker. Then to me it shows a lack of recognition of the problem