Re: Our best lineup : Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:55 am  

The Real Moaner wrote:

Equally, Manu needs to be used in small bursts - especially as he is aging and just a poor man's David Solomona.

You seem like your fishing, but still, I'd argue that rather than doing less minutes, Manu just needs to be kept out f the battle for the ruck, instead he should only be used wider, where his foot work can be used to proper effect.

Re: Our best lineup : Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:06 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Swift's a really good player. Whilst and England cap might be hard for him with Hall and Charnely incumbent, he could well get up to the level of the likes of McGillvary and Lineham.

I don't think I'd swap him for either McGillvary or Lineham to be honest.

Re: Our best lineup : Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:43 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

You seem like your fishing, but still, I'd argue that rather than doing less minutes, Manu just needs to be kept out f the battle for the ruck, instead he should only be used wider, where his foot work can be used to proper effect.

No fishing. I just don't rate either of them.

Swift has potential, I'll grant that but to put him on the level of Lineham is ludicrous. Makinson is by far the better prospect and given that I wouldn't be willing to have Swift and Percival on the same side, I'd rather have Percival.

Manu has been a player I have not rated ever since he came over here. If you create a scoreboard whereby a good piece of skill, line break or an offload counts as +1, and a penalty, missed tackle or knock on counts as -1, I'd wager he would have as low a score as anyone over the past five years. His headline plays for mine do not justify the sheer number of negative plays he produces.

Re: Our best lineup : Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:59 pm  

The Real Moaner wrote:

Makinson is by far the better prospect

On what basis?

Re: Our best lineup : Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:02 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

On what basis?

I was wondering the same. Makinson seems to have stalled in his development in the last couple of seasons, needs a big year. Swift is very new and has only a dozen or so games under his belt, in which hes done amazingly well, but we need to see him after a season or even two.
Im not getting too excited but signs are good so far

Re: Our best lineup : Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:03 am  

Swift and Makinson are two very different players. I think Swift does have a better all round game than Tommy but Tommy's finishing is fantastic.

Im happy that both play for St Helens.

Re: Our best lineup : Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:14 pm  

On manu

I think he should come in 20 mins in then be used for the rest of the game.
Changed my mind about the lineup


J-lo
Swift
Percival
Turner
Makinson
Wheels
Walsh
Amor
Roby
Walmsley
Soliola
Wilkin
LMS

Masoe
Manu
Laffranchi
Jones

I can't 100% give out best team and the more I think about it the more I'm excited by it.
We have a fantastic squad this year
Amor has pretty much took the starting spot straight away. Great player.
Walsh and wheeler - NICE

I wish we had someone to spell roby.
Lance for me just isn't worth using at all. If a deal can be done to get rid I would.
He could prove me wrong but his lack of effort doesn't warrant a place in the team ever again.

Players fighting for spots
Wello, Flanagan, Beaumont, Ade, Clough,
And the youngsters who you would
Imagine will get a chance at some point at there will be one or two with injuries who I'm sure will take there chance and cause more headaches for the coach.

Re: Our best lineup : Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:54 am  

I would say that Lance is our best option for spelling Roby.
I know people will state it's too much money to be a bench player, but quite frankly it's a sunk cost.

I agree Manu should start from the bench, especially when it's wet and a tough match. His instict to push the ball early creates too much pressure on us early on.

Also Sia can do big minutes and Jones would give us a steady defensive start.
I liked Walmsley starting and the fact he did lots more tackling than last year is great.

I'd hope we could rotate a forward this week. As Sia maybe having a rest anyway. Why not push Laffranchi into the 2nd row and let Beaumount have a run up front. As an ex hull located lad I'm sure he would be eager against Hull FC to give it his all.

Our best line up

Lomax, Makinson Turner Percival Swift Wheeler Walsh
Amor Roby Walmsley Sia Laffranchi LMS

Masoe, Manu, Lance, Jones.

Our line up for next week, I go with the above back line and assuming Sia cops a ban.
Amor Roby Walmsley, Jones, Wilkin, LMS

Manu, Lance, Laffranchi, Beaumount.

Re: Our best lineup : Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:25 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I would say that Lance is our best option for spelling Roby.
I know people will state it's too much money to be a bench player, but quite frankly it's a sunk cost.

I agree Manu should start from the bench, especially when it's wet and a tough match. His instict to push the ball early creates too much pressure on us early on.

Also Sia can do big minutes and Jones would give us a steady defensive start.
I liked Walmsley starting and the fact he did lots more tackling than last year is great.

I'd hope we could rotate a forward this week. As Sia maybe having a rest anyway. Why not push Laffranchi into the 2nd row and let Beaumount have a run up front. As an ex hull located lad I'm sure he would be eager against Hull FC to give it his all.

Our best line up

Lomax, Makinson Turner Percival Swift Wheeler Walsh
Amor Roby Walmsley Sia Laffranchi LMS

Masoe, Manu, Lance, Jones.

Our line up for next week, I go with the above back line and assuming Sia cops a ban.
Amor Roby Walmsley, Jones, Wilkin, LMS

Manu, Lance, Laffranchi, Beaumount.

For me, jones and Wilkin are too similar back rowers to start together (though his immediate displacement from centre for Percival does seem to suggest he's going to become heir apparent to the "defensive workhorse back rower" role Wilkin plays) I'd rather bring flanaghan in and start with jones on the bench again with Manu with Wilkin and Flanaghan starting. Other than that unchanged (assuming sia is banned)

Re: Our best lineup : Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:55 pm  

I just think Manu tries too much in the opening of a game which puts us under pressure. That's why I would bench him. If he could keep a lid on it and hold the ball for 10-15 minutes, I'd have no worries starting him.