Re: Todays Game : Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:13 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Todays was better. But I kind of wish Warrington had won. I can't see Hull beating the Pies.

But by golly I'll be a black and white for the day.

I don't think many saw Hull beating Warrington.

If Hull played like they did today against Wigan then they have a very decent chance of beating us if we are not at our very best.

Gareth Ellis has made a massive difference to them.

Re: Todays Game : Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:40 pm  

dany1979 wrote:

I don't think many saw Hull beating Warrington.

If Hull played like they did today against Wigan then they have a very decent chance of beating us if we are not at our very best.

Gareth Ellis has made a massive difference to them.

Ellis has been average everytime I've seen him this season, including today. Holdsworth and O'Meley were the gamebreakers.

Re: Todays Game : Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:36 am  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Ellis has been average everytime I've seen him this season, including today. Holdsworth and O'Meley were the gamebreakers.

Holdsworth is their main man. They ain't the same team without him.

Re: Todays Game : Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:37 am  

St pete wrote:

Holdsworth is their main man. They ain't the same team without him.

Spot on, he seems to have been the big difference to the side yesterday. Well done them, I do think there will be a few extra thousands at Wembley now than if the wire had won.

Re: Todays Game : Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:50 am  

Judder Man wrote:

So would I, Barrow and Whitehaven probably have average gates of 1500 to 2000 at the moment, we would expect that to double once into Superleague., and bigger gates when the top sides come to town
To allow expansion into Cumbria, the RFL would have to provide subsidy to allow whichever club to get up to a decent salary cap expenditure level.
The grass roots are already there...................... its a question does the game have the vision to wake a potential sleeping giant.

Travelling between the RL towns in cumbria is too time consuming to create any sort of combined local support.

I do think they could push Cumbria better as a rep side, though. They gave England a good game not so long ago and could very possibly turn over the likes of France and Wales. More rep opportunities would give the cumbrian championship/semi-pro stars more exposure to the opportunities of full time.

Cumbria is an area that has real RL passion - that's something that should not be underestimated.

Regarding London, a friend and I were chatting the other day and discussing the fact that trying to promote a RL club in such a RU strong area seems flawed.
I know there is lots of junior, grass roots RL giong on n London, but is this centred around the twickenham area - i doubt it (please feel free to correct me). Would we be better trying to promote RL to an audience that has less rugby bias? Rugby league started as a working class sport - would we be better looking at a less affluent area of london that has only had football in the past and trying to convert them instead?

Re: Todays Game : Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:14 am  

The issue with a representitive side for cumbria, is that it's another made up side, it would have the same issues as PSG, London.

You can't just invent a side and expect it to get support. Those who turn up to watch RL already watch Whitehaven, Barrow and Workington.

It's the same issue as making a club in say Liverpool the representitive side for St Helens, Warrington and Widnes.

It would get little to no support from the feeder clubs and would die very soon.

Cumbrian teams just need a promotion path, everything else will come if they market themselves and play well.

RL has tried to create, merge and drop in teams before and all without question have failed.

Catalan is the exception that proves the rule, but they were merged before SL.

Re: Todays Game : Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:27 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

The issue with a representitive side for cumbria, is that it's another made up side, it would have the same issues as PSG, London.

You can't just invent a side and expect it to get support. Those who turn up to watch RL already watch Whitehaven, Barrow and Workington.

It's the same issue as making a club in say Liverpool the representitive side for St Helens, Warrington and Widnes.

It would get little to no support from the feeder clubs and would die very soon.

Cumbrian teams just need a promotion path, everything else will come if they market themselves and play well.

RL has tried to create, merge and drop in teams before and all without question have failed.

Catalan is the exception that proves the rule, but they were merged before SL.

I wasn't suggesting replacing the club sides, I was thinking an occasional representative side to give extra oppotunities for cumbrian players, an extra "occasion" for cumbrian fans. Not every area can support a SL club, but that doesn't mean they can't improve rugby league in the area in terms of a spectacle and player development.

Re: Todays Game : Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:02 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Would we be better trying to promote RL to an audience that has less rugby bias? Rugby league started as a working class sport - would we be better looking at a less affluent area of london that has only had football in the past and trying to convert them instead?

If you consider other sports and their attempts at artificially influencing the spread of their game I cant think of any examples of success. Wendyball hasn't taken off in the USA, American football hasn't taken off in Europe, Cricket is limited to the old British empire countries etc etc. Consequently, the 30-year experiment in London was bound to fail.