Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:11 pm  

I was strangely enthusiastic before last night, safe to say that was soon burst like a balloon. I knew it wasn't our night from that first KR try (looked a bit baffling) and our attack was shocking, we put the ball down far too often and Eden's try was too easy. The lads looked way too scared of Paterson.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:35 pm  

St pete wrote:

We need this team to play the way that suits the players we have, it needs to find its own identity, work on things that work for this team and not what teams of years gone by did.

Don,t think this will work though we need a good team structure and game plan. Playing the way that suits the players hasn,t worked we have ended up with lots of individual players doing there own thing with lots of one man rugby and unintelligent play. I don,t think the team needs to find its own identity, its already in the Saints DNA, but we seem to be hell bent on changing it. We tried a similar thing in 1982 and that didn,t work either.
Look at Warrington, Smith was a great admirer of the Saints Way of play and to a certain extent has emulated it with great attacking plays very similar to how we use to be, add the right attitude and that is a recipe for a successful side.
We have lost all stability and approach to how the game should be played, 5 years of experimentation trying to fit square pegs in round holes is enough.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:39 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Don,t think this will work though we need a good team structure and game plan. Playing the way that suits the players hasn,t worked we have ended up with lots of individual players doing there own thing with lots of one man rugby and unintelligent play. I don,t think the team needs to find its own identity, its already in the Saints DNA, but we seem to be hell bent on changing it. We tried a similar thing in 1982 and that didn,t work either.
Look at Warrington, Smith was a great admirer of the Saints Way of play and to a certain extent has emulated it with great attacking plays very similar to how we use to be, add the right attitude and that is a recipe for a successful side.
We have lost all stability and approach to how the game should be played, 5 years of experimentation trying to fit square pegs in round holes is enough.

I get what your saying and agree but this team can not play expansive rugby, its not good enough.

Tony smith is blessed to have a chairmen that has ambition and will back him with transfers.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:40 pm  

St pete wrote:

I was shocked that he changed his decision for a try. He gave a drop out them 20secs later gave a try.

Wasn't that the one where he awarded Hull KR a penalty for offside and not a drop out. He awarded the penalty and then Dobson politely reminded the referee that we'd crossed the line for a try??

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:47 pm  

Does Stirlingshire Saints ever frequent these boards anymore? Think I asked the same question last time after the cup game, he famously said everytime HKR would beat Saints he would bare his Iestyn 'Arris' on the town hall steps.

Can't beat characters like that.

16-8 penalty count too, unbelievable.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:57 pm  

Easty wrote:

Wasn't that the one where he awarded Hull KR a penalty for offside and not a drop out. He awarded the penalty and then Dobson politely reminded the referee that we'd crossed the line for a try??

Something like that, I don't know what he was doing but certainly changed his decision.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:09 pm  

St pete wrote:

I get what your saying and agree but this team can not play expansive rugby, its not good enough.

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But I think to a certain extent we could improve it quite easily. Our attack is flat as a pancake most of the time which means a defence with good line speed is in our faces after 2 passes. Our ruck speed is probably the slowest in the league due to our attitude of surrendering at the tackle giving the defence lots of time to get set.

Our support play is atrocious, don,t know if this is the problem of lazy attitude or inability to read the game but we have plenty of players who create half breaks in Roby, Wilkin, Walmsley, Manu, Soliola with no backs to follow up an offload, this happens quite a lot in most games.

We,ve had a couple of games were we have solved the above problems but can,t mentally sustain it for more than 40 mins in a game.

Until we get the right structures and game plans of some sort we will not be able to control a game, I remember Daniel Anderson critical of the team when we went away from his game plan for a 5 minutes out of the 80 mins Times have changed we only have a game plan for 5 mins out of the 80 mins.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:20 pm  

St pete wrote:

I've never seen a saints team play with no spirit or passion like last night. I went with 15 mins to go because I was losing it with them.

Laffranchi couldn't break out a paper bag and looks to be staying.

If we retain wello and Laffranchi and don't bring in quality players to play with Walsh or Maose, then I will not be renewing my season ticket. I can't stand another bore fest season watching players with no heart.

I've already made that call and it saddens me as I've been a season ticket holder for a long time, we've been pretty terrible to watch since Potter took over (we were a bit easier on the eye for some of Simmons time) and I just dont enjoy the games enough to justify the outlay. I'll just be picking and choosing my games next year based on how the money is, how the weather is and if we have a team that look like they can be arsed.

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:34 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Don,t think this will work though we need a good team structure and game plan. Playing the way that suits the players hasn,t worked we have ended up with lots of individual players doing there own thing with lots of one man rugby and unintelligent play. I don,t think the team needs to find its own identity, its already in the Saints DNA, but we seem to be hell bent on changing it. We tried a similar thing in 1982 and that didn,t work either.
Look at Warrington, Smith was a great admirer of the Saints Way of play and to a certain extent has emulated it with great attacking plays very similar to how we use to be, add the right attitude and that is a recipe for a successful side.
We have lost all stability and approach to how the game should be played, 5 years of experimentation trying to fit square pegs in round holes is enough.

I was only 3 year old in 82 so I dont remember it but I see were your coming from. I used to turn up watching saints in the 80's and early 90's not expecting a win but always hopeful of one and one way or another we normally put on a show .

I used to be in a minority at school in Ashton , it was dominated by goon fans but even though they were successful I was never jealous or regretted my decision to be a Saints fan rather than choosing the dark side because I always saw Wigan (I saw them lots as I used to get free tickets) as more of a machine , very methodical , very precise , steamrollering sides full of part timers .. all that and somehow dull where as Saints were like the Brazil of Rugby (brilliant or terrible) to Wigan's Germany ...

It may be my memory but I always seem to remember us having a flair about us that coaches like say Potter just could never grasp. I wonder if Brown can?

Re: Saints v Hull KR : Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:09 pm  

Jeez, giving up season tickets after a poor year. I seem to remember the threat of relegation, and them being really bad, bringing Wigan fans together to support the team and us mocking them for it...