Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:40 am  

The Chief wrote:

LMS, Clough and LaFrancchi are nowhere near big enough to play in the front row and last night it showed.

Is Soliola bigger than LMS? He doesn't look it. Yet Soliola took the game to the Dragons while all LMS did was make it ten times harder for us to get anywhere thanks to his petulant behaviour. Lafranchi also made some good yards sometimes (I watched it back on TV) but just not consistently.

I think at the least some of our problems up front are to do with attitude rather than size. We were lethargic in the first half and that's what I'm getting tired of watching. If we came on to the field as we did in 2011 when we also had a terrible injury problem, with determination and enthusiasm and grit, and stuck with that attitude for the full 80 minutes, then I would have no difficulties supporting a mid table team, which is what we are at present. But we don't.

And then the coach blames the referee. How weak that looks.

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:42 am  

Saint from Prestwich wrote:

Idiots like LMS don't help. Should have dragged off after the second penalty

I'm of course a big LMS fan, but he should have been sent to the sin bin after the third penalty! especially after someone was sent to the sin bin for a first offence, I will praise the crowd for a few times they managed to sway the decision of the official and even change his mind!

Did like Brown in his Saturday Night Fever get up! do people still wear white shirts open and collar over their jacket like Simon Cowell!

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:47 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Is Soliola bigger than LMS? He doesn't look it. Yet Soliola took the game to the Dragons while all LMS did was make it ten times harder for us to get anywhere thanks to his petulant behaviour. Lafranchi also made some good yards sometimes (I watched it back on TV) but just not consistently.

LMS is a prop and should be making his yards up the middle of the field where size & strength is a massive factor. It is also important when defending as you've got bigger guys running at you who you need to match physically. Sia was outstanding but plays second row and by the very nature of the position runs wider, where there is slightly more space, at opposition second rowers and centres rather than at monster props. Unfortunately you can compare the two. Compare LMS to Walmsley and there was only one winner. Agree with the point on LMS discipline though, effectively cost us the game in penalties alone.

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:47 am  

jaybs wrote:

I'm of course a big LMS fan, but he should have been sent to the sin bin after the third penalty! especially after someone was sent to the sin bin for a first offence, I will praise the crowd for a few times they managed to sway the decision of the official and even change his mind!

The Dragons player was sent to the bin for a professional foul, not a first offence.

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:51 am  

The Chief wrote:

LMS is a prop and should be making his yards up the middle of the field where size & strength is a massive factor. It is also important when defending as you've got bigger guys running at you who you need to match physically. Sia was outstanding but plays second row and by the very nature of the position runs wider, where there is slightly more space, at opposition second rowers and centres rather than at monster props. Unfortunately you can compare the two. Compare LMS to Walmsley and there was only one winner. Agree with the point on LMS discipline though, effectively cost us the game in penalties alone.

I was thinking more of attitude rather than role. LMS looks bigger than Soliola but Soliola always takes the game to the opposition, regardless of who it is we are playing. He may play a different role - well, obviously, he does! - and all that, but it always seems to be the case that whenever we are challenged in the pack LMS goes soft. I think Soliola does more of a prop's job than LMS, and yet rumour is that LMS has been offered an enhanced contract. That would be poor if true.

Walmsley is on a different planet. That guy is very impressive and I love watching him play.

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:09 am  

Well, Alex does have one brother-Liam- also a Batley player!
Suggest Saints offer LMS,Perry and Laffranchi in a swap deal?

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:03 am  

Well I'm glad I missed that game.

If I was being ruthless my list of outs this year would be

Perry, Lance, Wellens, Ade, Laffranchi (unless he is moved to 2nd row, his actual position), I have to say LMS.

When LMS came to Saints I was not expecting a world beater, but someone who would develop into a world beater. Well it's quite a few seasons on and he's pretty much the same as when he came to the club for me. He can turn it on, but it's far too inconsistent for a top side.

We need a 2nd hooker, if that's going to be Lance then fine, but for me he's on too much cash for a 2nd hooker.

Makinson from games prior to this one I would say can fill a role at FB, but he's a stand in for Lomax.

As for Meli, no idea about last night but from prior weeks he looks to be contract worthy.

Next year

1. Lomax/2. Makinson/3. Turner/4. Percival/5. Meli/6. New fella - no stand in's, not Lance /7. New fella

8 New Fella/9. Roby/10. Walmsley/11. Sia/12. Manu/13. Flanaghan

New 2nd Hooker/Laffranchi as 2nd rower/Clough
Wilkin (as his contract is so long it would be impossible to move)
Walker/Wheeler/If we can't get TP to stay or his body can't take it then another 2 props.

Then the rest of the youth set up

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:11 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

The Dragons player was sent to the bin for a professional foul, not a first offence.

Two of the three LMS committed especially the last one could be interpreted the same professional foul!

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:17 am  

jaybs wrote:

Two of the three LMS committed especially the last one could be interpreted the same professional foul!

No they couldn't! LMS didn't at any time hold anyone down. He was pinged for hands in at the tackle on each occasion. He should have been sin binned for the number of offences, yes, but he didn't commit any professional fouls.

Re: Unacceptable : Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:47 am  

jaybs wrote:

Two of the three LMS committed especially the last one could be interpreted the same professional foul!

You've just confirmed (not that it was required) that you are a clueless troll. Why do you hang around on the board of a team you used to support ?