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That isn't developing them; it's covering for injuries. We've always done that.


We could easily have played Flanagan hooker last week (instead of Speakman or Ashe).

We could equally as easily have played Turner at 6 instead of Charnock, moving Meli to centre.

Then there's Greenwood, Walker, Percival.

Fact is, Brown has taken lots of opportunities to blood kids. They're just the "wrong" kids for some people.
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FearTheVee wrote:
We could easily have played Flanagan hooker last week (instead of Speakman or Ashe).

We could equally as easily have played Turner at 6 instead of Charnock, moving Meli to centre.

Then there's Greenwood, Walker, Percival.

Fact is, Brown has taken lots of opportunities to blood kids. They're just the "wrong" kids for some people.


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There's a reason Gaskell suddenly dropped from favour

Yeah: the coach. The same coach who shipped out a grand final winning hooker while at Hudds so he could have Scott Moore back. A coach I am trusting less with each passing week.
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FearTheVee wrote:
We could easily have played Flanagan hooker last week (instead of Speakman or Ashe).

We could equally as easily have played Turner at 6 instead of Charnock, moving Meli to centre.

Then there's Greenwood, Walker, Percival.

Fact is, Brown has taken lots of opportunities to blood kids. They're just the "wrong" kids for some people.

We could, but I didn't suggest Brown wanted to shunt the whole team around. I suggested that he was covering for injuries. Had those injuries not occurred, those young players would not have been blooded.

And incidentally, I liked the idea of Speakman at hooker. That is a young local hooker being given his debut covering for our injured hooker. That's exactly how cover should be: a player in that position covering for an injured player in the same position. However, that is very different from player development, which is what was mentioned. For and example of the approach I go for in player development, see Smith's handling of Myler at Warrington. That is phasing a player into the team, not just dropping them in when injuries occur.

We have just brought in a hooker from Salford. So will we see Speakman again this year? Maybe if Howarth is injured during Robes' absence but otherwise I doubt it very much.
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Yeah: the coach. The same coach who shipped out a grand final winning hooker while at Hudds so he could have Scott Moore back. A coach I am trusting less with each passing week.


Incorrect, please try again.

Scott Moore is a talented player, it was never his ability in doubt. Don't forget he was named in the dream team in 2009 ahead of a few talented hookers. That's also the year he played under NB.

Brown saw that and tried the chance to turn him around but that didn't work out. He now appears to have sorted himself out and starts for Gold Coast.
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Incorrect, please try again.

Not incorrect. Brown sent Lunt out on loan to Leeds to facilitate re-signing Scott Moore. That is factually correct. What is incorrect about that?

I made no comment about Scott Moore's talent or otherwise.
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Let's just face it - Gaskell was never as good as some numpties thought he was to begin with. He was extremely raw and limited when he first came into the team and hasn't improved an awful lot since (for whatever reason) - if anything he's gone considerably backwards now opposition defences know about him. Brown's had a good look at him and come to the same conclusion. He won't be at Saints next season and only time will tell if that is a good thing or not, but all the evidence to date suggests that it probably will be for all concerned. When we are so desperate for halves, the fact that 2 successive coaches (even if one of them was Rush) have decided that he isn't up to the job with so few other alternatives available says everything that needs saying. Add him to the same "initial promise unfulfilled" pile as Foster and move on.
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Not incorrect. Brown sent Lunt out on loan to Leeds to facilitate re-signing Scott Moore. That is factually correct. What is incorrect about that?

I made no comment about Scott Moore's talent or otherwise.


Sorry my bad I wasn't clear. The incorrect was to do with the reason Gaskell has gone.
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Sorry my bad I wasn't clear. The incorrect was to do with the reason Gaskell has gone.

The coach? So our coaches don't decide who goes out on loan then? Who does? The chairman? Mike Rush? Who?
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Sorry my bad I wasn't clear. The incorrect was to do with the reason Gaskell has gone.


The reason Gaskell's gone is that he just isn't good enough. Simple.
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