Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:32 pm  

At this moment in time I can't see lee getting a new deal and if he did he probalary wouldn't sign it so it will be interesting to see how he goes if he goes somewhere else next season I got a feeling he just might come back and haunt us for years

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:37 pm  

1984saints wrote:

At this moment in time I can't see lee getting a new deal and if he did he probalary wouldn't sign it so it will be interesting to see how he goes if he goes somewhere else next season I got a feeling he just might come back and haunt us for years

Well he won't be playing for Rochdale thats for sure, probably end up at Widnes, I seem to remember he had one of his better games there in 2011 I think, kicked the winning conversion from the touchline.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:40 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Well he won't be playing for Rochdale thats for sure, probably end up at Widnes, I remember he had a good game there in 2011 I think.

I think he already got an agreement in place for next season be interesting to see where he ends up

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:41 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Don't exaggerate Rogues. Two out of three coaches do not like Gaskell, although how three games including a complete tonking is enough to judge anyone's capabilities is beyond me. Anyway one out of the three coaches (Simmons) kept faith with Gaskell. But then he was brought over in part because he was very good with young players and at the time Saints wanted to do stuff on the cheap.

But one of those coaches (Rush) had worked with Gaskell from a very early age. He obviously didn't believe that Gaskell was ready for the job, much in the way that Noble and Maguire soon moved Ainscough out of Wigan despite some promising performances.
You have to realise that the coaches work with these players on a day to day basis and base their judgement on many different facets of their performance.
I've nothing against Gaskell at all, but as I've said previously I'm not sure what his best position is. I'd have him at Wigan but it wouldn't be at #6.

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:34 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

You have to realise that the coaches work with these players on a day to day basis and base their judgement on many different facets of their performance.

That's the point that I was going to make really.

He's had a whole pre-season to look at him and three league games, yet Brown obviosuly feels he isn't good enough, yet or ever. I doubt he would have dropped him otherwise. Wilkin is the best option at #7 currently, and I think the way Brown talked about Lance, he will be the option at #6.

I really doubt Gaskell will be here next season, and tbh if Brown and Rush (I'm sure they would have discussed this, given Rush has brought him through the youth system here) do not think he is worthy of his spot, then we just have to accept that. They know far more about the player in terms of his attitude and talent.

On another point, if he is sulking at Rochdale, or wherever, that isn't gerat. Look at Makinson who scored a hat-trick, that's how you try to get yourself back into the team. From an outside perspective, his attitude isn't great.

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:36 am  

As I have stated previously, Gaskell would make a good Centre, or if he could bulk up a bit, loose forward. He will never be good enough at stand off and if the club aren't prepared to try him in a new position then he may as well leave now. Sending him to Rochdale or Whitehaven every week won't do him or Saints any good at all. If he is being considered as cover then we may as well promote Yates and see how he goes. Yates may well be the future so lets see him!

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:56 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

The fact that Gaskell has played in a Grand Final is completely irrelevant. Leroy Rivett played in a grand Final and scored four tries in Challenge Cup Final.
I've always thought Gaskell was a decent prospect, but when three or four coaches "don't fancy him" it does make you think.

The only problem I always had with him was that I didn't know what his best position was, even in the academy grades he was always being moved about.

Gaskell has two choices, sulk or go to Rochdale/Whitehaven and play his arris off to show his capabilities. Even if Saint don't want him other clubs will be looking at his character.

Good post (Shocker lol) .

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:43 am  

We all know how Brown feels about Hohaia at 6; he doesn't rate him there, so for him to be ahead of Gaskell alludes to the fact that there is either something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about (doubt it, it's not JFK), or that Brown, having seen Gaskell throughout pre-season, and in the opening games, doesn't think he is ready yet.

Sadly, I think Rush's treatment of him last season has all but ruined his Saints career. He needs a boost in the arm, and that can take longer than 3 games, especially when it comes to finding form. It could take him all season again to gel with a halfback partner, and find confidence and form. If his agent is hawking him around other clubs, then it makes it doubly hard for Saints to get him to sign a new deal.

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:59 pm  

I hope his Saints Career isnt ruined.

Still think he can make it at 6 or 13.

His situation reminds me of Kevin Brown at the pies.

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:17 pm  

Albion wrote:

That's the point that I was going to make really.

He's had a whole pre-season to look at him and three league games, yet Brown obviosuly feels he isn't good enough, yet or ever. I doubt he would have dropped him otherwise. Wilkin is the best option at #7 currently, and I think the way Brown talked about Lance, he will be the option at #6.

I really doubt Gaskell will be here next season, and tbh if Brown and Rush (I'm sure they would have discussed this, given Rush has brought him through the youth system here) do not think he is worthy of his spot, then we just have to accept that. They know far more about the player in terms of his attitude and talent.

On another point, if he is sulking at Rochdale, or wherever, that isn't gerat. Look at Makinson who scored a hat-trick, that's how you try to get yourself back into the team. From an outside perspective, his attitude isn't great.

There's 101 things it could be.
I've played with a guy who had the talent and trained well, but no one wanted him around the team because he was so negative, he brought the team spirit down.
I've also played with a guy who was one of the most talented individuals our squad had seen, but simply refused to listen to the coach on team drills and messed it all up for the rest of the team.

And, as you say, if he's the sort of character that is too busy sulking to do the job at Rochdale, he might not be all he's cracked up to be. That said, if Rochdale got completely whacked up front, it may hav been a case of him trying too hard.