We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.
What is your problem with Meli? That he drops a few balls? He is big, powerful, has a bit of pace and within 10 meters of the line is one of the best finishers in the game.
This is the perfect description.
I think last night Meli had alot to thank Jones jones for, he cleared up his big clanger that was a dead cert try for Warrington.
It's one of those things that Jones will have to be aware of in knockout rugby. Every player has their weaknesses and Melis strike is one of those things that makes him a marmite player even with the same person.
I love his go forward, but I also wish I did not have to hold my hands over my eyes on every kick for the last 10 years or so.
I can see the arguement both ways, we replace him then we may gain on kicks, but lose on go forward.
For those who think he is not quality all these people disagree.
It says something when everyone of those people given a choice will pick Meli everytime. They know his weakness, but still see the need to keep him in the team for weekly rounds and finals.
I think last night Meli had alot to thank Jones jones for, he cleared up his big clanger that was a dead cert try for Warrington.
It's one of those things that Jones will have to be aware of in knockout rugby. Every player has their weaknesses and Melis strike is one of those things that makes him a marmite player even with the same person.
I love his go forward, but I also wish I did not have to hold my hands over my eyes on every kick for the last 10 years or so.
I can see the arguement both ways, we replace him then we may gain on kicks, but lose on go forward.
For those who think he is not quality all these people disagree.
It says something when everyone of those people given a choice will pick Meli everytime. They know his weakness, but still see the need to keep him in the team for weekly rounds and finals.
Meli had a very good game last night he put a great deal of work in both in defence and attack. Two mistakes? Look around the team and tell me who didnt make any.
Meli had a very good game last night he put a great deal of work in both in defence and attack. Two mistakes? Look around the team and tell me who didnt make any.
Agree alot of the team made mistakes, but how on earth did he have a very good game? i dont think he had a awful game but a very good game is OTT. All i can remeber from him is a few catches off high bombs, in which the ones he caught he was hardly under pressure, and as a winger he should be taking them all the time, also managing to get to stop a drop out in the 1st half.
i dont think Meli is a bad player but i always seem to naturally wince when the ball is either kicked to him or when the opposition attack to his side. Last night you would of thought Josh Jones would of been in super league years with international caps and Meli was inexperienced in the playoff's and in his first full year.
We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.
Meli had a very good game last night he put a great deal of work in both in defence and attack. Two mistakes? Look around the team and tell me who didnt make any.
The nature of his mistakes tends to be on the high balls. When Wire played at LP, they killed him with the high balls and they lead directly to tries.
Other players do make errors no doubt, ie Perry.
However the nature of Perry's errors leads to penalties but the team get a chance to cover the error. With errors on the high kicks, the team gets little chance to stop the resulting try. It was just good fortune Jones did what he did to stop the try yesterday.
Like I say he is marmite. I can see the good, but also the tries that result from the bad.
What is your problem with Meli? That he drops a few balls? He is big, powerful, has a bit of pace and within 10 meters of the line is one of the best finishers in the game.
Sorry to interject but I dare say mine and SaintsFan reasoning will be the same here. (*shudders* )
My problem with Meli is that despite his decent form throughout the regular season he has, without fail, made mistakes in the Grand Final in each of the last 5 years. He doesn't have the mentality for the big games.
Nothing has changed from these posts I made after the GF last year. Can be found in this thread.
SFW wrote:
2007: Meli is out-jumped by Lee Smith for a try at 6-19. Perhaps a little harsh this one but he is favourite to win the ball.
2008: Meli drops an easy catch at 16-18 for McGuire's crucial try.
2009: Pathetic attempt to dead a grubber kick by McGuire, Smith again benefits when 8-4 to Saints.
2010: Flaps at Sam Tomkins for his try, 6-16 but well in the game after Wigan's good start.
2011: Mugged completely by Burrow, falling for the dummy and leaving Hall wide open for his try at 16-16. Then, with no regard for the ball whatsoever, literally drags Ablett over the line for the match winning try.
SFW wrote:
You can forgive a rookie for a couple of mistakes as it's part of their learning curve, but this is a guy with NRL Grand Final experience and 14 NZ caps before he even signed for us. He has proven time and again that he doesn't have it in the head for these high-intensity games, and playing well in the centres for the increasingly meaningless regular season did nothing to change my opinion.
He simply cannot play for us again in a game of that magnitude.
TheVee wrote:
What is your problem with Meli? That he drops a few balls? He is big, powerful, has a bit of pace and within 10 meters of the line is one of the best finishers in the game.
Sorry to interject but I dare say mine and SaintsFan reasoning will be the same here. (*shudders* )
My problem with Meli is that despite his decent form throughout the regular season he has, without fail, made mistakes in the Grand Final in each of the last 5 years. He doesn't have the mentality for the big games.
Nothing has changed from these posts I made after the GF last year. Can be found in this thread.
SFW wrote:
2007: Meli is out-jumped by Lee Smith for a try at 6-19. Perhaps a little harsh this one but he is favourite to win the ball.
2008: Meli drops an easy catch at 16-18 for McGuire's crucial try.
2009: Pathetic attempt to dead a grubber kick by McGuire, Smith again benefits when 8-4 to Saints.
2010: Flaps at Sam Tomkins for his try, 6-16 but well in the game after Wigan's good start.
2011: Mugged completely by Burrow, falling for the dummy and leaving Hall wide open for his try at 16-16. Then, with no regard for the ball whatsoever, literally drags Ablett over the line for the match winning try.
SFW wrote:
You can forgive a rookie for a couple of mistakes as it's part of their learning curve, but this is a guy with NRL Grand Final experience and 14 NZ caps before he even signed for us. He has proven time and again that he doesn't have it in the head for these high-intensity games, and playing well in the centres for the increasingly meaningless regular season did nothing to change my opinion.
He simply cannot play for us again in a game of that magnitude.
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Meli is the definition of enigma. Shocking mistakes and lazy plays mix with sublime finishing and powerful running. His changers, however, will mean his negatives outweigh his positives for me.
We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.
What is your problem with Meli? That he drops a few balls? He is big, powerful, has a bit of pace and within 10 meters of the line is one of the best finishers in the game.
He is one of the best barge overs in the game; Makinson's finishing outshines his by 100%.
Meli is a liability in the pressure games. Even in 2006 when we won the GF, Meli conceded a try. He always does. He can be banked on to fluff up at important moments and yet he is consistently played in the pressure games and everyone else has to clear up his messes. For heaven's sake last night it was Josh Jones who was clearing up after him; a young guy in his debut season and initial first grade play off game! Ridiculous.
But he has the love of McManus and so he will be with us should we make the GF. My heart has already sunk.
What is your problem with Meli? That he drops a few balls? He is big, powerful, has a bit of pace and within 10 meters of the line is one of the best finishers in the game.
Her problem is that he was gash for a longish spell about 5 years ago and cost us big in a few Grand Finals a few seasons ago. Nothing he does or has done since will ever convince her and the other frothing Meli victimisers otherwise. Their problem is that they are one-eyed fools who lack either the brainpower or the RL knowledge/appreciation to be able to judge players on their actual contribution but have to substitute snap judgements and irrevocable dogma instead.
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