Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:35 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

you insufferable fool.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:36 pm  

saintsfan does have a bit of a point though Rush has his favourites and it doesnt look like that is based on form. Gaskell especially has been royally screwed this year

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:41 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Getting personal eh? Oooh er. Watch me tremble.

I'd rather not thanks.

SaintsFan wrote:

Like I say, didn't you watch the Leeds game at Langtree Park? All our young players disappeared overnight and hey, Josh Jones turned up. But obviously, like all RL fans, I'm indulging in conspiracy theory.

Yes I did watch it. Jamie Foster was awful and deserved to be dropped. Tommy was also dropped which shouldn't have happened, however I can understand why it was done. Gaskell is a 50/50 one, he needed to improve a couple of areas of his games, although I would have had him back in by now. However, we're talking specifically about Wheeler here.

SaintsFan wrote:

Or it could just be that Rush is a naff coach either generally or specifically when it comes to the young players.

I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing the claim that Wheeler was dropped. He wasn't, he was injured.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:42 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

saintsfan does have a bit of a point though Rush has his favourites and it doesnt look like that is based on form. Gaskell especially has been royally screwed this year

Definitely, I wholeheartedly agree with her on that point. However, Wheeler wasn't dropped.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:49 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

I'd rather not thanks.

Good. Then don't.

Jamie Foster was awful and deserved to be dropped.

You are re-writing history. Jamie Foster wasn't awful. He had a bad game at Bradford (as indeed did most of the team) and had been a bit wobbly here and there following the Catalans defeat (he started that game great with a smashing try from a lovely chip by Gaskell, that other ghost of Saints 2011).

Tommy was also dropped which shouldn't have happened,

Yup. And but for Gardner's injury, he would probably now be on loan at Salford or something.

Gaskell is a 50/50 one, he needed to improve a couple of areas of his games,

And the only way he could do that, having played not only in a first team grand final but for most of the 2011 season, was by playing at first grade. He was just dropped, because Rush wanted to play Hohaia in the halves, in spite of Hohaia and Lomax never being a halfback partnership in a month of Sundays.

Interesting about Lomax. Rush has sung his praises a few times in public in the past. Lomax can have dire games and yet still play.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:50 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

I'm disputing the claim that Wheeler was dropped. He wasn't, he was injured.

You dispute away.

But I'm free not to believe you.

And I don't.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:52 pm  

If rush dropped wheeler and prefers the older plsyers but he's picking wheeler tomorrow?

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:57 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Ahh a grand plot and conspiracy theory, just what all RL fans love. Of course that's much much more plausible than an injury prone player simply picking up a knock. I know for a fact he was injured during that point as I know a physio at Saints. No grand scheme like you would wish, however convenient it is to your story. In fact the week after Wigan we played Castleford were Wheeler featured, guess why that was? Because he had recovered from injury.

You're wrong but you won't admit it you never do, instead you'll make up ridiculous stories in order to somehow substantiate your claims when really everybody else just laughs.

Also anybody who has ever played the game knows that appearing in a high profile match does nothing to develop your ability, it exposes you to the big occasions but doesn't develop you as a player. Grand final or not he was still learning his game.

I'm also no sucker, in fact quite the opposite. I always like to back up any claims that are either made by me or told to me by supplying hard evidence to prove the hypothesis. Something which I have done in this thread and can continue to provide if necessary. On the other hand, you have provided no facts/evidence to support your claims other than a wild conspiracy theory which I know with 100% certainty to be incorrect.

Please try again.

You can't beat someone with a brain and a strongly reasoned and 100% correct point trying to argue sense into the brick wall of SaintsFan and her barmy dogmatic opinions. I admire your determination but you're wasting your time matey - just move on and leave her to it...

Anyway, Wheeler has most assuredly been awful for much of the season - he may have been played out of position in a 3/4 line that's seen fewer balls than your average convent, but he's still been a huge disappointment and there's no way someone with his talent and ability should have been so comprehensively outperformed by an 18 year old. He's drinking at the last chance saloon next year and needs to get his sorry booty in gear. End of.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:58 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

If rush dropped wheeler and prefers the older plsyers but he's picking wheeler tomorrow?

Shenton is injured and so the senior player in the position Wheeler has been filling (centre) won't be playing.

Rush therefore has a few options: play Wheeler in one centre spot and Jones in the other. Move Meli to centre and Jones in the other berth. Move a current regular into the centre spot. Bring in a new player entirely. Whatever the result, we have another bite at the cherry next week so it doesn't matter.

Given that Meli hasn't played in the centres since Rush took over I don't think he will start now. So that probably knocks that option out of the window.

That leaves three other options which may or may not involve Wheeler.

Re: Squad for Saturday : Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:04 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

You can't beat someone with a brain and a strongly reasoned and 100% correct point

What point exactly? That backrowsaint claims to know a physio at Saints and therefore all else must be true? If you take that as a 100% correct point then your capacity for spotting reason or even knowing what 100% means is severely limited.

trying to argue sense into the brick wall of SaintsFan and her barmy dogmatic opinions.

Oh look, you used the word 'dogmatic', presumably because someone else used it before you. But for you of all people to use it makes me laugh so much I think I might wet myself.