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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:51 pm  
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Well blow me, a sensible and well reasoned post. Quick, ban him for talking sense :shock:

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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:53 pm  
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Nobody is getting upset about it. It's just further proof that there are players out there and that we really didn't need to buy an NRL fullback and play him at scrum half, where he is pretty terrible. The excuse from people on here is that there are no players of any quality available anywhere, but yet other clubs manage to sign players better than our own on a pretty consistent basis. Either of the signings Wigan have made recently would improve our side and they have a decent looking trio now. They have the pace, deceptive running and out and out class of Sam Tomkins, the pace and kicking game of Green and the organisational qualities and kicking game of Smith. Contrast with us, we have a fullback who simply doesn't contribute anything, one half that is like a headless chicken and couldn't organise a set of toy soldiers and another, albeit quite talented, who is drowning under the pressure of having no one with him who can kick or organise. I know which average players I'd rather have and it's not ours.


I would question your assertion that either Smith or Green are quality players, or that they are better than we already have. Remeber Smith in the GF when he was on loan? Totally anonymous. Fair enough, he had a good game in the semi, and if I recall won MoM, but that doesn't make him a quality player, or better than we already have. Just take a look at the Goons thread on the signing of Green, and you will see that the majority of their speccies with more than a single brain cell are totally unimpressed, not only by these signings, but the signings over the last couple of years. The quality of the Goon's squad is being severely diluted.
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:53 pm  
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:22 pm  
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This would concern me even more. We have no need for a 'general squad player'; Wello has only ever impressed at FB. If he isn't being signed to play there, then he shouldn't be signed at all.

To retain him so that he doesn't have to play for 80 minutes or get beat playing for a duff team would be to waste valuable cap space on sentimental nonsense. If that is the case, I'd be extremely worried about the decision making of this club.


but we get a £50k dispensation on the cap for long serving players, so its not really a costly decision. We need players to add to the squad - we cant get by with just 17 players; and that is ignoring the contribution that Wellens is likely to make behind the scenes, his influence in training etc...
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:45 pm  
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Remember Smith in the GF when he was on loan? Totally anonymous. Fair enough, he had a good game in the semi, and if I recall won MoM, but that doesn't make him a quality player, or better than we already have


Well that's a poor example really...he played one game really well, yet played another quite badly...it proves nothing really as you can't say one match proves your point more than the other match does...

I do understand that Smith and Green are quite average really, but a few years decline will hopefully pick up when the new batch of youngsters start coming through, and they seem quite promising.
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:48 pm  
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but we get a £50k dispensation on the cap for long serving players, so its not really a costly decision. We need players to add to the squad - we cant get by with just 17 players; and that is ignoring the contribution that Wellens is likely to make behind the scenes, his influence in training etc...



No, you only get it for one player and it's up to £50K max or 50% of his salary , so if Wellens left Wilkin or Gardiner would still qualify.
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:55 pm  
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No, you only get it for one player and it's up to £50K max or 50% of his salary , so if Wellens left Wilkin or Gardiner would still qualify.


Exactly, that's no excuse. Resigning Wellens is just a sentimental folly, OR McManus displaying his rampant lack of rugby league knowledge. I'd still love to know who makes these decisions at Saints.
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:02 pm  
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Well that's a poor example really...he played one game really well, yet played another quite badly...it proves nothing really as you can't say one match proves your point more than the other match does...

I do understand that Smith and Green are quite average really, but a few years decline will hopefully pick up when the new batch of youngsters start coming through, and they seem quite promising.


Blake Green was HKR's player of the year in 2011 ahead of the likes of Dobson, Webster and Galea. He's had problems this year with a blood clot. I have a feeling he may surprise a few next year.

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the two players that have been signed are actually YOUNGER than the ones that are moving on, while other local clubs appear to be doing their best to keep the Post Offices open.
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:42 pm  
Is this the new Dennis Moran?
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Re: Wigan to sign another halfback : Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:00 pm  
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