Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:16 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

By that measure if Gaskell had spent his time just filling a hole in the line rather than trying to be productive, he would not have got the flack.

Personally I'd rather my half backs try some plays than just fill a shirt. If it don't come off at least you have made the opposition scramble to defend something.

Exactly.

I, like others on here, was advocating he was taken out of the firing line for a few games when we went pearshaped at the start of the season. But only a few games. Clearly something else is going on at the club and the line that has now been trotted out by Rush and Tommy Martin (an almost word for word repeat) and doesn't wash with anyone. To state that a player who played two thirds of a season including knock out games, sometimes really tough games and a Grand Final is 'learning his trade' in the u20s is garbage. After being in a GF, a player is going to learn zip in the u20s.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:18 pm  

TheVee wrote:

I would rather see our halfbacks losing posession and making mistakes while being creative when nothing else is on but in Gaskell's case I can't think of anything except from that chip in the grand final. .

Then you need to watch a full season of games to remind yourself. You are showing your ignorance.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:19 pm  

TheVee wrote:

I would rather see our halfbacks losing posession and making mistakes while being creative when nothing else is on but in Gaskell's case I can't think of anything except from that chip in the grand final. Don't get me wrong I hope he turns out world class but I just can't see it. The problem I see is the opposite to Lance who hardly ever takes the line on and looks lazy is Gaskell backs himself far too much and takes the line on leaving a huge overlap outwide and he does it in most games and a few times in the Grand Final. I hope this is something he can grow out of doing but he certainly isn't ready to take the 6 shirt no matter how much fans scream for his return to the team.

Back on topic though Lance looked better at 9 than he does at 6 but Roby has that covered and Makinson should take full back next year leaving Lance without a position. IMO he is too experienced to leave out of the team and obviously is a class player.

Bring back Tommy God then.

Lance should earn his place just like everyone else.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:22 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Then you need to watch a full season of games to remind yourself. You are showing your ignorance.

I have watched the games. Instead of going round in circles while you imagine what Gaskell did and think he is a world class player wrongly ejected from the team upload some video's of Gaskell and these performances you speak of.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:28 pm  

TheVee wrote:

I have watched the games. Instead of going round in circles while you imagine what Gaskell did and think he is a world class player wrongly ejected from the team upload some video's of Gaskell and these performances you speak of.

And exactly when did I say Gaskell was a world class player? The only apparent world class player at halfback is Hohaia and so far Gaskell made a much better job of the position than he is doing!

Gaskell is a young player who showed lots of promise last season. He scored tries, assisted in tries, rescued imminent disasters, showed speed of thought and a bit of pace in his legs, as the season progressed he began to organise more, he worked well with Lomax and he even managed a drop goal, something I don't see Hohaia doing in a month of Sundays. The kicking game has largely been taken off Hohaia and he is actually practising with Tommy Martin. So we are teaching a world cup winning Kiwi how to play at halfback while our very own product who was so impressive so often last season is wasting away in the u20s. Good effort there Saints.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:33 pm  

TheVee wrote:

Ah a smart booty.. Highlight the place I said I would be better than Gaskell and could do it? Gaskell is obviously a better player than me, a fan, just incase you needed that pointing out. He is not good enough for Saints and time will prove that he is not the next big thing.

I can point you to where you said Gaskell was 'average' and 'not good enough for Saints'... Yet Gaskell being instrumental in Saints reaching a grand final and contributing two MOM performances in playoff rugby v Wigan suggests you are incredibly wrong on both counts.

The fact you're advocating that Hohaiah keeps the 6 shirt based on him being apparently too classy to drop, despite him showing none of this class to date in the red vee, is madness. If he really is that good, it must be that he just can't be bothered.

Maybe you would be a better option, after all...

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:17 pm  

SaintsFan:Gaskell is a young player who showed lots of promise last season. He scored tries, assisted in tries, rescued imminent disasters.

Any video's to back that up then?

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

TheVee wrote:

Ah a smart booty.. Highlight the place I said I would be better than Gaskell and could do it? Gaskell is obviously a better player than me, a fan, just incase you needed that pointing out. He is not good enough for Saints and time will prove that he is not the next big thing.

I can point you to where you said Gaskell was 'average' and 'not good enough for Saints'... Yet Gaskell being instrumental in Saints reaching a grand final and contributing two MOM performances in playoff rugby v Wigan suggests you are incredibly wrong on both counts.

The fact you're advocating that Hohaiah keeps the 6 shirt based on him being apparently too classy to drop, despite him showing none of this class to date in the red vee, is madness. If he really is that good, it must be that he just can't be bothered.

Maybe you would be a better option, after all...

I did say Gaskell was average but again you didn't really read what i put I said "highlight were I said I would be better than Gaskell" aimed at your silly remark of "could you do that".

If you watch them games back you will find it's Roby and Lomax who are the big contributors in us winning them matches. In none of my posts have I said keep Hohaia at 6 and I even hinted at it being his weakest position but his best positions are already covered. Even you can't deny that Hohaia is a classy player surely? 10 years in the NRL, 4 nations and World Cup winner is an impressive CV. IMO he is in the 6 shirt at the moment because for some reason Lomax plays better alongside Hohaia and Lomax is more dangerous than Gaskell is and maybe that is why Saints play Hohaia and not because he had a massive strop over it like some people think?.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:38 pm  

Hohaia's only role at #6 as far as I can tell is to just keep Gaskell and Wheeler out of the firing line and to avoid too many hits to their confidence before the new coach comes in. That and the fact that he has to be played somewhere due to his contract and promises made to him to get him over here in the first place are the only logical reasons for his persistent appearances out wide of Lomax I can come up with, as his performances there certainly can't be the reason. For me we're missing a golden opportunity now to get some more gametime at #6 into Gaskell and Wheeler for the rest of the league slog and to see exactly what they're made of ready for when Brown puts his lineup together. Hohaia is just frustrating the holy heck out of me now.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:47 pm  

The Gaskell situation, for me, stinks. He should be in week in, week out, and I am not happy with an interim coach having this much say over a potentially cracking players career with the club.

Re: Lance Hohaia at hooker : Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:53 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

The Gaskell situation, for me, stinks. He should be in week in, week out, and I am not happy with an interim coach having this much say over a potentially cracking players career with the club.

Spot on.