Re: Newlove and other ex players : Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:50 am  

All this talk of centres and no one has mentioned Scott Gibbs? Awesome player who, IMO, scored as just as important try at Valley Parade in '96 that Perelini did. In fact I think he broke two fingers in the act of pushing defenders off and scoring.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:18 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

And yet it is worthless if the player in question cannot perform the multitude of other tasks a centre is given.

I think if you go back and watch the old videos from Paul's career you may change your mind on that point. I started watching Saints in 1983 and I still say he is one of the top 3 centres I have seen play for Saints. I would have Jamie Lyon top followed by Lockers and Newlove joint second.

Mugwump wrote:

But he was quicker than Loughlin.

I think that is questionable given that Newlove only played for Saints during the summer era on firm pitches. Loughlin played in winter on swamps. Pre Saints Newlove didn't look any faster than Lockers IMO.

Mugwump wrote:

Certainly no better than Newlove.

Mugwump wrote:

But not as many as Newlove.

I disagree. Lockers had to work harder to get his winger away. Newlove played in a star studded side which did a lot of the work creating overlaps for Him. Watch the 1988 John Player final against Leeds to see him winning the game for us virtually single handed. He also played a lot better at international level than Newlove which would seem to indicate that with a better quality team around him he would have performed a lot better for Saints than he did.

Mugwump wrote:

If by "showy" you mean he was the most potent attacking centre Britain has produced in the last thirty years - sure. He was also a damned good winger's centre - as Anthony Sullivan's record attests.

I think you'll find that honour belongs to Gary Connelly. Also as a huge fan of Sully's I would say he scored a lot of tries without any help at all from Newlove

Mugwump wrote:

So we've gone from Loughlin being "every bit" as good as Newlove to someone who did his job with the "minimum of fuss". And you've successfully managed to identify one attribute Loughlin had over Newlove - kicking.

He did his job with a minimum of fuss because he came through the Colts. Newlove came out of the back of a security van as the most expensive player in Rugby League. That's what I mean by showy.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:09 am  

mistermoo wrote:

All this talk of centres and no one has mentioned Scott Gibbs? Awesome player who, IMO, scored as just as important try at Valley Parade in '96 that Perelini did. In fact I think he broke two fingers in the act of pushing defenders off and scoring.

Scott Gibbs was hard as nails, his defence was as hard as I've seen and certainly wouldn't run straight at him.

I thought he didn't get enough credit for his attack, he was very powerfull player.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:17 pm  

mistermoo wrote:

All this talk of centres and no one has mentioned Scott Gibbs?

Scott Gibbs, Kevin Iro, Jamie Lyon and Matt Gidley where all great Right Centres. Gibbs for me thou was a bloody marvellous player.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:00 pm  

Lockers was a damn fine player who played his heart out for his hometown club but let's put this into perspective he was not in the same league as Newlove.

[Bullseye]

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:23 am  

Loughlin was a classy player and a good winger's centre but he wasn't on Newlove's level. Newlove could score from anywhere on the field and beat men for fun unlike Loughlin.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:42 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Loughlin was a classy player and a good winger's centre but he wasn't on Newlove's level. Newlove could score from anywhere on the field and beat men for fun unlike Loughlin.

While I agree Newlove was a different class, I think you're probably judging Lockers a little unfairly based on the ageing player that joined Bradford. In his prime, he could (and did) score from any range - he was short of neither pace or power.

[Bullseye]

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:08 am  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

While I agree Newlove was a different class, I think you're probably judging Lockers a little unfairly based on the ageing player that joined Bradford. In his prime, he could (and did) score from any range - he was short of neither pace or power.

I remember Loughlin before he came to Bradford. I can't remember any 80/90m tries he scored on his own, however I am mainly going on Saints games I saw on TV and when he was playing Northern.

I'm not knocking Loughlin, who was a very good player and lost nothing in competition with the Aussies in 88 and 92 but he wasn't as good as Newlove.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:28 am  

Top Saint wrote:

I think you'll find that honour belongs to Gary Connelly. Also as a huge fan of Sully's I would say he scored a lot of tries without any help at all from Newlove

Does it 'eck. Connolly was the best British defensive centre I've seen, and was pretty handy with the ball, but Newlove was miles better in attack. He scored 86 more tries than him, for starters. I'm sure if you asked Sully he'd tell you what a good winger's centre Newlove was too. He put four tries on a plate for him in his debut.That is not to detract from Sullivan's own class as a try scorer, of course. The reality is that it was a deadly partnership, far more so than Loughlin/Sullivan ever was.

Re: Newlove and other ex players : Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:16 am  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

While I agree Newlove was a different class, I think you're probably judging Lockers a little unfairly based on the ageing player that joined Bradford. In his prime, he could (and did) score from any range - he was short of neither pace or power.

Loughlin couldn't go 80m for a try bud. Newlove scored 36 tries in one season, Loughlin scored 80 in total for Saints. It wasn't until Newlove picked up his hamstring that his try scoring total dipped below 19 per season. Coincidentally that injury led to Sullivan only scoring 24 tries over the next two years before he left (he had averaged 25 tries per season outside Newlove before that compared to 17 outside Loughlin).