Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:48 am  

This problem really does need sorting out. I think the reason it dosnt happen at Hull city games is the coaches will be escorted. This needs to happen for the rugby as well I'm afraid to say. It is affecting our club financially because if people didn't have a problem coming to Hull, Saints would have brought twice as many yesterday

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:20 am  

Much prefer the Hull fans than the HKR ones. Always seem to get on well with the Hull fans remember walking back from the grand final with them great bunch of lads. Same in our semi final of the challenge cup at Huddersfield when we showed the Hull fans our appreciation after the loss.
HKR are at a different class, a few cases of racial abuse against our players quite a few years ago, we had problems with them also a couple of rows back in the Hull v Saints at Wembly. Also had a couple of threatening situations at Widnes last season.

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:01 am  

I'll address a few points people seem to be ignoring.

It is a legal requirement to put on police escorts for official supporters coaches at the football (part of the scheme to encourage people to travel in the aftermath of the hooligan era). It is the home club that foots the bill, hence no rugby league club does it because it's too expensive and not compulsory.

Hull would LOOSE money given an average away following, (running costs to open the north stand, extra staff and now police escorts), would not be covered by 300 people paying £23.

I agree something needs to be done about it but while it's not the clubs fans causing the trouble, it's not the clubs responsibility and it would cost the club money to fix it, I don't see what you want them to do.

On another point don't pretend it's the reason you don't travel to Hull, you don't travel because it's too far, everyone else (excluding the expansion teams) is within an hour or so in the car, so when it comes to missing the odd away fixture the Hull ones are top of the list. Away followings to Hull are appaling and have been for years, make all the excuses you like but if it was 15 minutes down the road there would been thousands of saints fans today not the 500 or so that turned up.

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:03 am  

Panda92 wrote:

This has happened several times now when one of the Hull clubs has been playing.

Total rubbish.
It doesn't happen when its a Rovers game or a Hull City game.
It only happens at FC games.
Now, either it's a very bad case of coincidence, or there is a definite link !
I'll let you decide.
And yes it does give the full city a very bad name indeed. However half of the mindless idiots on the Hull Fc forum think that because it happened over 1 mile away from the ground that it isn't their problem.
They don't seem to have the intelligence or forward thinking to want to do something about it as it will inevitably affect attendances.

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:09 am  

Les the Red wrote:

They don't seem to have the intelligence or forward thinking to want to do something about it as it will inevitably affect attendances.

Away fans will find any excuse for why they can't be bothered to come to Hull, at the moment it's violence, the other month it was ticket prices, for traveling to rovers it's the poor away end (you can always stand somewhere else).

Admit it's just easier to miss them than it is to go.

You have to make the long journey twice a year, hull and rovers have to do it for every away game and yet they still manage to have the best away followings.

or a hull city game

Has happened a few times, usually in the same areas, probably the Hull FC fans still, right?

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:12 am  

Les the Red wrote:

They don't seem to have the intelligence or forward thinking to want to do something about it as it will inevitably affect attendances.

What would you suggest us Hull fans do about it then?

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:27 am  

K-Diddy wrote:

What would you suggest us Hull fans do about it then?

IMO the hull board need to set up a meeting with hull police and try and come up with the solution, if thats a escort then so be it.

At the end of the day, if these bricks break the window they can seriously hurt someone which wound be dire for hull and also rugby league.

I'll be honest, I won't go to any of the hull games away, I've seen trouble first hand and I'm not going all the way to hull to be abused and attacked to watch rugby game and I'd certainly not take my son there.

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:37 am  

I did give a simple suggestion on the previous page that Saints also used when there was similar trouble at Knowsley Road, Hull fans per se cannot do a lot unless they know the culprits, in which case a phone call should be all that is required.

The police should still told by the club that this is a pattern of offenses, regardless of whether escorts can't be paid for by the club, they are aware that their matches are being targets by the local crim's and the polices job is to protect the public, whether that be the locals getting abuse from local yobs or those same yobs attacking coaches.

As for the 'excuses' for away supporters. I had no such qualms about Hull until I had to spend over £200 getting my car fixed. In the end it ain't worth the cost of the ticket to a match.

You mention the away prices too, well I'm sure that would put some off as well. The distance is not too much of an issue on a weekend. Friday night yeh I'm not going to do a 2 hr journey to hull, but on a saturday or sunday, it's something I have done in the past and is not too different for Saints fans from getting to places like Wakey.

Dispite Wakey not being as classy a stadia, the questions about differing ticket prices and trouble does not crop up. If other clubs had similar things going on but where getting good away followings because they where closer, then your point about distance would carry some weight, but the point is that these are two topics that don't crop up elsewhere. One is of the clubs control (differing ticket prices) the other is not within their remit of control (the local crim's), but they can offer suggestions to away clubs to mitigate the effects.

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:47 am  

Les the Red wrote:

Total rubbish.
It doesn't happen when its a Rovers game or a Hull City game.
It only happens at FC games.
Now, either it's a very bad case of coincidence, or there is a definite link !
I'll let you decide.
And yes it does give the full city a very bad name indeed. However half of the mindless idiots on the Hull Fc forum think that because it happened over 1 mile away from the ground that it isn't their problem.
They don't seem to have the intelligence or forward thinking to want to do something about it as it will inevitably affect attendances.

Les, it sounds like your trying to make out that all the trouble only happens after Hull fc games, if you read some of the comments you would know Rovers have there fair share of idiots too, we was acused of taking paint to Cas not long back if you remember.
Both rugby clubs should work closer with the police to sort this out though.

Re: Supporters coach : Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:55 am  

most annoying to read about coaches being attacked our club (fc) need to put pressure on the police to do something about it ! very sad that this is the impression you saints fans have of us.always thought we had abit of mutual respect after that semi final a few yrs ago