Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 12:58 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

The only good prop you've got fit at the moment is McCarthy-Scarsbrook, and even he has underperformed of late.

And yet, statistically, Laffranchi is our best prop. LMS tends to be less effective against an opposition who give him a hard time and defensively he can be less keen shall we say than Laffranchi.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 1:03 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

I'm not. Josh Perry is simply the worst forward you have signed since Paul Round. Actually he's not. Laffranchi is.

What a ridiculous comment.

Laffranchi has been one our most consistent performers this season.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 1:16 pm  

Robinson is one of the more cringeworthy Wigan trolls on here. But it just demonstrates the papering over effect that a win in a game actually has. If your side wins, every one of your players becomes a superstar and has outplayed their opposite number, whether than was the case or not.

Laffranchi isn't great. He isn't a prop at all. But he's still better than Perry and Clough by a distance and contributes far more than LMS.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 1:24 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Last season we weren't far away from Wigan. This season we are miles away.

Tbf it looks like everyone else is just as far behind Wigan as you lot.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 1:54 pm  

(Saint) wrote:

Wello was the only back who ran with any enthusiasm or aggression whatsoever, was safe under the bomb, scored a try and made a clean break (more than any forward did.)

Effort, enthusiasm and courage are no longer enough. We need pace at that position. Why are people still struggling to see this especially when they're the same people that normally complain about the lack of pace on the wing? We need to bite the bullet on this and it has been something that's been a serious concern since at least the second Grand Final loss to Leeds. He has been a great player but this isn't football and physical discrepancies can be cruelly exposed in the most subtle ways at this level i.e. kick returns, linking up, breaks that can't go further than a few metres.

If anyone wants a reminder of what having pace at full back can do, go and look at Amos Roberts' tries during that glorious run he had just before his injury. It was incredible stuff.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 2:45 pm  

Rommel wrote:

Hardly a tonking???? we was'nt that bad, 75-0 is a tonking?

Yes Wigun have the beating of us at the minute but we are not that far behind you? Sort our attack out and we'll be a differant side

75-0 against a reserve side led by Ian Millward looks amazing on paper, and I'm not surprised you're still after all this time dining out on it.

I'd suggest that the several beatings we've put on your first choice sides lately are a bit more substantial than that one freak result, wouldn't you? You might open your other eye to see it, though, that's the only problem.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 2:48 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Robinson is one of the more cringeworthy Wigan trolls on here. But it just demonstrates the papering over effect that a win in a game actually has. If your side wins, every one of your players becomes a superstar and has outplayed their opposite number, whether than was the case or not.

Look, love, put your fishing rod away. I didn't say that and you know it.

You will also see that I have been supportive of your predicament in other posts.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 2:50 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

75-0 against a reserve side led by Ian Millward looks amazing on paper, and I'm not surprised you're still after all this time dining out on it.

I'd suggest that the several beatings we've put on your first choice sides lately are a bit more substantial than that one freak result, wouldn't you? You might open your other eye to see it, though, that's the only problem.

75-0 will always be wonderful. It was wonderful in 2006 when we won everything on offer. It is wonderful today when we have won nothing for years. It will always be wonderful and it is good of you to remind us of it.

(At least we have two eyes to open ...)

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 2:50 pm  

Albion wrote:

What a ridiculous comment.

Laffranchi has been one our most consistent performers this season.

Fair enough. I presume you mean consistently distinctly average, in which case you have a point.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 2:50 pm  

Ive bagged Perry for a lot this season and i refuse to believe anyone actually thinks this guy is any good. Lacklustre in attack a lot of the time and often standard in defence. Wigan are a freakish team, they have players that can slot so easily into the prop position from second row. Hock does it with ease and id imagine that Hansen could do it. We have one player who can play both positions, TP. Clough occasionally does it but i see him more as a ball carrying 11 getting the tough yards to compensate for Perry being out there at the same time basically doing what Gilmour used to do. Franchise has been the best prop we have without doubt, shame he is a good 2nd row forward playing out of positions to paper over the cracks Jammer left.

The back line is a mystery, how certain players get extensions is quite unbelievable. Then again we have to think of how many "Saints standard" wingers are out there and have been available. Many of the wingers in SL are products of a youth system, they have taken their chances in the 1st team and kept their places, then signed 4/5 year deals. The truth is we got stung at the worst time as we were very lax in the youth system out wide and then when Albert left we had a big hole. There is no way Saints could afford a Briscoe, Jones Bishop, Charnley etc etc and i don't think they have the patience for it either.

I cannot fathom a reason why Saints (and Brown) would offer Wellens a new deal, he isn't the type of player Brown likes and i can't believe that Paul doesn't know his time is up too. Long left when we didn't give him what he wanted, sorry Wello but i wouldn't offer you 1 year. His replacement is tough though, i don't think Makinson is as capable under the high ball ( see Saturday for examples) and Ashe I've seen little of. Lomax is an option but then the half back carousel goes round again and we can't afford to mix it around like we have Wheeler in, Gaskell in, Hohaia in etc etc.

I'd happily take a decent season with a win or two in the playoffs but time for rebuilding does not start with 80 minutes at Old Trafford. A long as Leeds/Wire/Wigan don't win it id be happy.