Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:13 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Or was that just because we weren't playing the right structures too and not because you had the better team?

not to take away from a good post, but didnt maguire take the same team, add deacon, and dominate the league?

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:17 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Mossop is far better than Prescott, who'll be no more than an average SL player.

Prescott has been just as good as Mossop so far this year although they have slightly different playing styles. Mossop has a better work rate but Prescott is harder to bring down and a much better ball player. Prescott is also more important in Wigan's attacking moves and more likely to put players through gaps. I'd take both of them over LMS, Laffranchi, Perry etc.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:20 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Great post!

Ithankyew!

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:20 pm  

Famous wrote:

Come on then, who are all these Saints players that would make the Wigan 17, or indeed the starting 13?

Based on player ability/talent and not current form (which is all you'll be using to judge on naturally but which would be criminally unfair given our respective current coaching situations):

1. Tompkins
2. Richards*
3. Wheeler
4. Carmont*
5. Meli
6. Finch
7. Lomax (not a #7 but would need to be in my team somewhere and Finch would make him 10x more effective there)
8. La Frank
9. Roby
10. TP
11. Soliola
12. Hock
13. O'Loughlin
14. Mossop
15. Clough **
16. Wilkin
17. Hohaia ***

* Both look past their best, especially Richards, so you can have Charnley and Goulding instead if you want. Shenton should probably feature ahead of Goulding on the talent/ability scale, but has been so disappointing for Saints so far that I just can't justify it.

** Clough has admittedly been **** for 2 years but I'm still hopeful he'll reignite with a decent coach.

*** OK, OK I'm joking... Leuluai

I make that a 9-8 Saints win (10-7 if you still hold out any hope of Shenton coming good, 11-6 in the ever increasingly unlikely event that Perry isn't washed up now), no 3 or 4 man holding down and ground-writhing required.

And no McIlorum instead of Roby

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:24 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Based on player ability/talent and not current form

im not sure thats a good way to analyse as surely player ability/talent should be apparent regardless of coaching should it not?

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:26 pm  

the wrestler wrote:

im not sure thats a good way to analyse as surely player ability/talent should be apparent regardless of coaching should it not?

Don't be ridiculous - let me start coaching Wigan and I'll have them all looking like a bunch of National League donkeys in no time.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:28 pm  

the wrestler wrote:

not to take away from a good post, but didnt maguire take the same team, add deacon, and dominate the league?

Indeed. Which is why I say good coaching DOES make a difference. However you can't train a donkey to win the Derby (no pun intended! ). The simple fact is that Saints, for the reasons I posted, aren't currently a good enough side to play the structures Wigan play and to suggest, as the original poster did, that if they did they'd be top of the league is disingenious. He knows better, I'm sure. As many posters on here know, I'm not one of life's gloaters. I came on here to read a Saints perspective of today's game. I wouldn't have commented normally, but the post was nonsense and demanded a response.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:28 pm  

Famous wrote:

I genuinly believe that only 1 Saints player, in Roby, would make the Wigan 17. Even then I would only have Roby on the bench and would have McIlorum starting.

This is the most one eyed comment I have seen and that's from a Leeds fan!!
Your are either talking out of your Harris or taking the mick.
Roby is the best hooker in the league by far. Mclorum is ok but nowhere near the class of roby.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:31 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Don't be ridiculous - let me start coaching Wigan and I'll have them all looking like a bunch of National League donkeys in no time.

i agree that a coach can be rubbish and can coach players to be rubbish, but i think robys tackling wouldnt be coached out of him, nor could a kicking game be coached into lomaxs arsenal over any period under years.
edit not meant as an insult to lomax, just that his kicking game needs working on.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 9:32 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

snip

I've probably not put it across very well but I'm not saying player for player we're better than you, I agree that in that aspect you are ahead of us at the moment. What I am saying is that it's your structures that set you apart from everybody else and that if other teams worked with those structures and you worked with a different teams structures they'd probably swap around. It's your structures that make you so good.