Re: : Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:02 am  

gateaux wrote:

I would have thought that very few seats would be "block up" in that way though, most people who are changing seats will be doing so at the renewal price so that means there is no reason the seats shouldn't become available as soon as people renew elsewhere.

I have changed to the family area so 4 seats have been freed in the north stand which I would hope the club put back on sale straight away.

Can you please pm me, the north stand seats you had (row, block & seat no's) as the club has accidentally sold one of our four reserved seats and have sold seats either side of us. We might be able to swap them.

Re: Re: : Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:42 am  

saint at wire wrote:

Can you please pm me, the north stand seats you had (row, block & seat no's) as the club has accidentally sold one of our four reserved seats and have sold seats either side of us. We might be able to swap them.

The club should be unselling the one they have sold.

Re: Season ticket sales : Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:19 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I'd be disappointed if we sold less than 10,000 season tickets personally. It's a massive jump from where we are now (Roughly 5,000 I'd guess) but given that no club in Super League brings more than the odd hundred fans bar Wigan and Warrington, it's hard to see the average going too high. 12,000-13,000 ish I would guess. Anything more would be a bonus, anything less would be a complete disaster.

We should certainly be aiming for 10,000 season ticket holders I think our figure is somewhere around 6,000 at present based on how the club dealt with the semi final allocation. The club have done significantly more than normal, they could do more but a lot is down to the public taking up the offers and trying the new facilities.

If we look at our average attendances at KR (discounting play offs) considering what pitiful amounts many away teams brought we still managed to average over 11,000 in each of 2009/2010 and that was with around 6,000 season ticket holders.

As long as the club get the away pricing right you would hope every team would bring increased support, on top of that Crusaders who brought few are also being replaced by Widnes who should bring significantly more, we also managed to average 16,900 against Wigan and Warrington over them two years so you would hope these would definitely sell out as should the historic first game in the new stadium (depending on who we play ideally Widnes I think).

Based on Cherry&White & SLstats when others moved into new stadiums Warrington had around a 40% increase, Hull 65% and Wigan 20%. An average of 12,000 represents just a 7% increase on KR that is a bare minimum, we should be looking for around 13,000-14,000 which would be about a 16-25% rise.

Re: Re: : Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:23 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

The club should be unselling the one they have sold.

You would think!
But he has to be offered something equivalent and the optiond around where we are due to be sat are very limited. Its been two weeks now and they still haven't sorted it.

Re: Re: : Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:07 am  

saint at wire wrote:

You would think!
But he has to be offered something equivalent and the optiond around where we are due to be sat are very limited. Its been two weeks now and they still haven't sorted it.

That is their problem, not yours. Your seat should be secured as Saints have advertised it publically that current season tickets have their seats secured until the renewal time is ended (on 30 September I think). They need to compensate the other person and move them, and you should insist if you haven't already done so.

IMO, obviously. But I'm a bolshy cow when I've been poorly served!

Re: Season ticket sales : Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:27 am  

fans talking of us selling 10k season tickets are i think dreaming in la la land sadly.

If you look at RL as a whole, Wigan who have by far the largest support base, can only just crack 10k season ticket holders.

Bradford managed it by basically giving tickets away free.
The other clubs with bigger support that Saints Hull and Leeds usually get around 9k season ticket holders. Both are major cities.
Warrington have around 6k season ticket holders.

I therefore think realistically 7k is a more achievable scenario. 8k would be quite frankly amazing.

IF you look at season ticket sales, they are probably starting to slow down now as the initial rush will have passed.
In the last week for example the number of seats available for sale in the North stand only reduced by 6.

Re: Re: : Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:57 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

That is their problem, not yours. Your seat should be secured as Saints have advertised it publically that current season tickets have their seats secured until the renewal time is ended (on 30 September I think). They need to compensate the other person and move them, and you should insist if you haven't already done so.

IMO, obviously. But I'm a bolshy cow when I've been poorly served!

You? Bolshy?
Nooooo!

Re: Season ticket sales : Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:07 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

fans talking of us selling 10k season tickets are i think dreaming in la la land sadly.

If you look at RL as a whole, Wigan who have by far the largest support base, can only just crack 10k season ticket holders.

Bradford managed it by basically giving tickets away free.
The other clubs with bigger support that Saints Hull and Leeds usually get around 9k season ticket holders. Both are major cities.
Warrington have around 6k season ticket holders.

I therefore think realistically 7k is a more achievable scenario. 8k would be quite frankly amazing.

IF you look at season ticket sales, they are probably starting to slow down now as the initial rush will have passed.
In the last week for example the number of seats available for sale in the North stand only reduced by 6.

I think you have to factor in the new stadium. There are tons of people I know who never went to KR because it was such an utter dive. If they can get the floating vote back they should do well. The representative I spoke to at the forum says the club is aiming to have no fewer than 10,000 Saints fans at every single home league game. They need to really, really push the season tickets. Obviously they can't reduce the prices now, but what they could do is sell community tickets, branding them differently. For example junior rugby getting 20 tickets for £1000.

They cannot just sit back with your attitude of 8k being fine. Given how weak we're looking squad wise, we're not likely to be creating much of a positive vibe on the field, so they need to get the sales in early. If they can get 5,000 to buy season tickets for Widnes, doubling that shouldn't be impossible. I do think the prices were a mistake. Why not make the first season a big bang, sell the tickets for less than usual. Get people going and then increase them slowly.

Re: Season ticket sales : Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:27 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

They cannot just sit back with your attitude of 8k being fine. Given how weak we're looking squad wise, we're not likely to be creating much of a positive vibe on the field, so they need to get the sales in early. If they can get 5,000 to buy season tickets for Widnes, doubling that shouldn't be impossible. I do think the prices were a mistake. Why not make the first season a big bang, sell the tickets for less than usual. Get people going and then increase them slowly.

I think the prices are more than reasonable. Also with the direct debit scheme they will be affordable to most people who have a desire to go.

Re: Season ticket sales : Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:47 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Warrington have around 6k season ticket holders.

Two or three seasons ago maybe but the club has recently made a media release linked to the stadium extension stating season tickets sales are 3,000 up from three years ago.

Plus with not having an attendance under 10,000 there is no way that the minimum walk-up during a season is going to be 4,000.

I'd expect Saints to average 14,000 to 15,000 next season on the back of probably three sell-outs (first game, Wigan and Warrington) with a slight drop-off the following season as the novelty factor falls away. After that to maintain attendances success will be required.