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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:32 am  
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It's tough with a player like Wellens - but someone needs to have the balls to drop him for the big games.

You don't get scared as an opposition fan when he tries to chime in to the line.

Its was a split discussion for posters wanting to stick with Wellens or go for Eastmond at full back (who wasn't actually available in the end). I'd plump for eastmond every time. I don't know whether he'd have taken Charnley down when Wello did, but I reckon he'd have done better for Charnley's try and I think he could have broken the deadlock in the 1st half if we'd had him attacking.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:59 am  
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Its was a split discussion for posters wanting to stick with Wellens or go for Eastmond at full back (who wasn't actually available in the end). I'd plump for eastmond every time. I don't know whether he'd have taken Charnley down when Wello did, but I reckon he'd have done better for Charnley's try and I think he could have broken the deadlock in the 1st half if we'd had him attacking.


Of course he would have stopped Charnley. Charnley made a right mess of it. He should have run inside more to open up the space to go outside Wello, but he didn't, he just ran in a straight line and didn't do anything. He's not a natural winger, no in and out style in his locker. His second run was just embarassing defending.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:30 am  
It just shows that stats do not cover having a cutting edge and true game breakers. The stats prove that we do not need to "work harder" or "complete our sets" but actually find a way to open a defense with a single play.

We need to let go of our safety blanket Wello and get an extra playmaker on the field.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:40 am  
Noel Cleal wrote:
It just shows that stats do not cover having a cutting edge and true game breakers. The stats prove that we do not need to "work harder" or "complete our sets" but actually find a way to open a defense with a single play.

We did need to work harder - than the previous time we met Wigan (Stobart). But Pryce let us down badly on Saturday and so did Wellens. Between them they created a series of errors, which was very disappointing given the dominance of our forwards (the thing we had lacked last time we met the goons).

If we manage to put together the hard work in the forwards AND creativity in the halves/fullback, we will beat Wigan. We have the right game plan; we just need the execution to take our chances when they appear.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:51 am  
Noel Cleal wrote:
It just shows that stats do not cover having a cutting edge and true game breakers. The stats prove that we do not need to "work harder" or "complete our sets" but actually find a way to open a defense with a single play.

We need to let go of our safety blanket Wello and get an extra playmaker on the field.



Nail on the head. Our pack did their job, and the likes of Martyn/Long would have had a field day in the first half. The platform was there for all to see.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:59 am  
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Wellens though is so far past it he cant remember what it looks like anymore


Sorry but I think that's unfair and copmplete bandwaggon jumping. The tackle he made on Charnley was full back play of the highest order. If the rest of our defence had got back as quickly and covered as well as he did we wouldn't have conceded that try. People are saying what a great game Meli had but he was the person who was asleep when Charnley went through that gap.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:10 pm  
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Sorry but I think that's unfair and copmplete bandwaggon jumping. The tackle he made on Charnley was full back play of the highest order. If the rest of our defence had got back as quickly and covered as well as he did we wouldn't have conceded that try. People are saying what a great game Meli had but he was the person who was asleep when Charnley went through that gap.


Agree on the first point however I think you have to give Charnley credit for a great step which beat both Meli and the cover. The pointsl remain about Wellens though i.e. his lack of pace means the ball dies with him whenever we're in a situation where some speed is required which is either linking up on the outside or returning the kick. He's still great powering through tackles but it's not enough anymore.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:19 pm  
The thing with Wello is that the game has moved on. Fullbacks are no longer the RL equivalent of a goalkeeper in footballer. They are not there purely to take down defenders that break through. They are now a third halfback, like the looseforward is now a third prop. The fullback is now arguably the most important attacking weapon in a side as it's much harder to defend against their linking into the line. We just don't have that in our arsenal with Wellens in the side, he's too slow and far too predictable and doesn't contribute enough and leaves us looking helpless in attack because we've got 12 blokes in a line and no threat from fullback.

Even if the development of the sport hadn't changed the role of the fullback, Wello still isn't playing well enough to stay in the team. The tackle on Charnley in the first half was magnificent, but he used to do that week in week out a few years ago. He's missing more tackles than ever now and for 99% of the tries we concede he arrives in the area just as the player is touching the ball down. He's also not the safe pair of hands he used to be under the bomb, he's dropped more clangers this season than he has in his entire career.

It's hard for Saints fans because it's Wello. A local product who has given his all for the club and who has produced some sensational performances and seasons for us in the past. I love the man, love him to bits. But if he was any other player in any other position he would be booed and he would be the scapegoat for our woes this season.

For the sake of the team he has to go. He cannot be the first choice fullback next season.
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:51 pm  
I was told from a very reliable source that he asked to move to 13 at the start of either last season or the season before. May be this time....
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Re: Stats from Saturday : Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:55 pm  
Under Royston's back on the bench policy he's absolutely perfect. Wello could cover 1,3,4,6,7,9,11,12,13 allowing us to have 3 bruisers on the bench.

But the club hasn't shown any hints so far that he will be moved or replaced at fullback.
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