Re: Wilkin : Fri May 06, 2011 1:57 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

So, out of ALL the past and present SL coaches you unequivocally select GF Winner, GF Runner Up, three-time CC winner, World Club Challenge Winner - Daniel Anderson - the man who, in his opening season, transformed a perennially leaky Saints defence into the meanest SL had ever seen?

Are you credible?

Apart from Wigans last season?

I do think Wilkin is a vastly under rated player by fans of many clubs, including your own.

Re: Wilkin : Fri May 06, 2011 2:07 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Apart from Wigans last season?

FFS

Re: Wilkin : Fri May 06, 2011 4:36 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Apart from Wigans last season?

I do think Wilkin is a vastly under rated player by fans of many clubs, including your own.

He said "Had".

It's past tense.

Wilkin's problem is he promises to be genuinely top drawer, then rarely backs it up at the same level.

Good performer, and I agree he's underrated, but he doesn't reach the heights he seems capable of on a regular enough basis.

Re: Wilkin : Fri May 06, 2011 4:50 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Apart from Wigans last season?

I do think Wilkin is a vastly under rated player by fans of many clubs, including your own.

At the time it was the best D, SL had seen and we did have an arduous extra game back in 2006 that Wigan didn't have to prepare for last season

The problem Wilkin has given himself is that he has shown he has bags of talent with some outstanding performances. But then he doesn't use them very often and as he isn't seen making 50m breaks, kicking 40:20's and scoring tries a lot of the work he is doing generally goes unnoticed.

Re: Wilkin : Fri May 06, 2011 5:05 pm  

Chris Saint wrote:

At the time it was the best D, SL had seen and we did have an arduous extra game back in 2006 that Wigan didn't have to prepare for last season

The problem Wilkin has given himself is that he has shown he has bags of talent with some outstanding performances. But then he doesn't use them very often and as he isn't seen making 50m breaks, kicking 40:20's and scoring tries a lot of the work he is doing generally goes unnoticed.

We also kept our scores against to single figures during the play offs, whereas Wigan were averaging 15 points against when the competition picked up.

We also had the extra exertions of a Challenge Cup winning run (conceding an average of 10 points per game) whereas in 2010 Wigan failed to carry their mean defence into the cup comp, conceding an average of nearly 19 points per game and going out as soon as they met SL opposition.

Seems it's easy to have a 'mean' defence (which in Super League games was only decimals away from Saints 'points against' anyway) when you can't back it up across the board.



But yeah, Wilkin - top grafter, but you feel he could be so much more.

Re: Wilkin : Fri May 06, 2011 6:23 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Apart from Wigans last season?

I do think Wilkin is a vastly under rated player by fans of many clubs, including your own.

lost an extra game though didnt ya!

Re: Wilkin : Sat May 07, 2011 1:22 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Apart from Wigans last season?

Did you read the post before you clicked reply? Do you read - at all?

Re: Wilkin : Sat May 07, 2011 1:27 am  

Smurf wrote:

I was talking Saints coaches, not all Super League coaches (that would, obviously, be ridiculous). Plus, yes I am credible, absolutely.

I don't think you can add Grand Final runner up to his list of successes with the side he had, either. He is simply not the coach that fans make him out to be.

What!? - Success can ONLY be measured by the number of Grand Final wins you achieve?

If you finish top of the league at the end of the regular season this is NOT success? Are all SL coaches other than the GF winner FAILURES?

You're not sounding too credible here.

Re: Wilkin : Sun May 08, 2011 1:47 pm  

Smurf wrote:

Correct. The most overrated coach of the Super League era, without a shadow of a doubt.

Pass me them crayons young man, you can't be trusted with them they're not for chewing on.

Re: Wilkin : Sun May 08, 2011 2:10 pm  

Since this is a thread about Jon Wilkin ...

Where are all the posters who suggested that Jon Wilkin couldn't back up on his performance at Hull? C'mon, admit it! Confession is good for the soul and all that ...