Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:42 am  

Mugwump wrote:

My guess is either Kyle's representatives tied Saints in knots, or Saints didn't follow procedure over his suspension - or both.

My guess is that Saints are in fact following procedure, if the procedure at rugby clubs is the same as most employers, ie: verbal warning, first written warning, second written warning and then you're fired. I would imagine the forced apology was the verbal warning and this suspension has been the first written warning. I would think he has two lives at best left before being fired.

Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:18 am  

rammsteinbloke wrote:

Only came in with about 20 mins of the u20s match left - Kyle was nowhere to be seen. What happened?

They took him off with almost half the match to go because he was getting booed at by fans arriving at the ground.

Its hard to see him ever getting anything but that reaction from now on. I think the club are just hoping he will ask for a release, but if his new yawnion friends aren't paying him yet; why should he blink first?

Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:21 am  

Saddened! wrote:

What is everyone basing their opinion on though?

You keep asking the same question. People are basing it on the fact that he has been beyond rubbish - he has put absolutely no effort in whatsoever in the games he has played. Therefore, he shouldn't be playing.

Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:49 am  

Hang him high. The whole issue leaves a very bad taste.Get rid, sooner the better.

Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:11 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

My guess is that Saints are in fact following procedure, if the procedure at rugby clubs is the same as most employers, ie: verbal warning, first written warning, second written warning and then you're fired. I would imagine the forced apology was the verbal warning and this suspension has been the first written warning. I would think he has two lives at best left before being fired.

Not necessary if the misconduct is so serious as could constitute gross misconduct - then (having followed the correct procedure of course) an employee can be dismissed despite having an otherwise blot-free copybook.

The finding of serious misconduct suggests that Saints are boxing clever on this, I'd guess he's been given the equilvalent of a final warning (as an alternative to dismissal) and any further evidence of similar behaviour will see him gone, with the club then having a much stronger case at the inevitable tribunal as they'll be able to demonstrate it was made absolutely clear to him (via formal disciplinary action) what behaviour they expected from him before taking the ultimate sanction of dismissal.

Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:45 am  

Smurf wrote:

You keep asking the same question. People are basing it on the fact that he has been beyond rubbish - he has put absolutely no effort in whatsoever in the games he has played. Therefore, he shouldn't be playing.

Very well said I agree.

Re: Eastmond - Guilty of Serious Misconduct. Suspension lift : Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:51 am  

Mugwump wrote:

My guess is either Kyle's representatives tied Saints in knots, or Saints didn't follow procedure over his suspension - or both.

Not clapping the fans, which was the first offence, is unlikely to count as gross misconduct IMO.