Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:08 pm  

Trav2005 wrote:

alright don't throw your handbag.

It's a clutch

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:14 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Lomax got some extra responsibilty in a game towards the end of las t season (was it Bradford at home?) and had a stormer! Maybe moving him closer in with Wheels in the centre will help bring out his best.
Gaskell is a good 1st receiver and although his kicking is inconsistant, it does have potential, so will hopefully improve as he gets more game time.
The key (as so often) in the forward. If we defend with authority and crash the ball up well, make the offloads and the back row offer the runners, our young half backs will have a chance.
If the forwards play like they did last week, it would be a case of our youngster not standing a chance.

Spot on, if we are to progress we need to give the likes of Gaskell, Lomax and Wheeler time to bed in at half back.

Gaskell has had 5 games as the solo half back. Give him a partner who will share the work and see how he goes. Looked much better with Pryce along side him. Supporters will say give youth a chance, stop buying aussie journey men, but then critise the very same young players when they have had less than a hand full of games at first grade.

Ideally Gaskell would have maybe played a couple of 20 mins this season so far. Instead he's got to step up , but lets give him a chance.

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:14 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Spot on, if we are to progress we need to give the likes of Gaskell, Lomax and Wheeler time to bed in at half back.

Gaskell has had 5 games as the solo half back. Give him a partner who will share the work and see how he goes. Looked much better with Pryce along side him. Supporters will say give youth a chance, stop buying aussie journey men, but then critise the very same young players when they have had less than a hand full of games at first grade.

Ideally Gaskell would have maybe played a couple of 20 mins this season so far. Instead he's got to step up , but lets give him a chance.

Young players will not progress or develop unless there is someone showing them how. We don't currently have an old head in the side capable of encouraging and advising a young half back. Leon in the side with Gaskell would be fine, I'd have no problems with that. It would be a really beneficial thing for Gaskell's development for him to play alongside Leon.

BUT without him in the side it's akin to having a formula one car and a baby in the driving seat. You are not going to get very far and could easily be detrimental to his development.

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:41 pm  

As i work for myself, i've been to work with proper flu, and every type of cold or hangover. I had tonsilitis once and was in bed for a week. If Cloughys got that he wont be near the team for a couple of weeks

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:59 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

As i work for myself, i've been to work with proper flu, and every type of cold or hangover. I had tonsilitis once and was in bed for a week. If Cloughys got that he wont be near the team for a couple of weeks

Not every flu, there's no way on god's earth you would have made it to work, if you had contracted the mythical man flu. Even the best men fall victim to that foul illness.

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:02 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Young players will not progress or develop unless there is someone showing them how. We don't currently have an old head in the side capable of encouraging and advising a young half back. Leon in the side with Gaskell would be fine, I'd have no problems with that. It would be a really beneficial thing for Gaskell's development for him to play alongside Leon.

BUT without him in the side it's akin to having a formula one car and a baby in the driving seat. You are not going to get very far and could easily be detrimental to his development.

That's fair enough but there is not alot we can do about it, our 2 first choices are can't play and won't play. Our first main choice for back up is Wilkin also injured.

I doubt any other team could offer any more if they had their first 3 creative players out.

Take Maguire, burrows and Sinfield out of Leeds.
Tomkins, Lululi and Deacon out of Wigan
Brough, brown and robinson out of huddersfield

you get the point, when your top 3 choices are out you have to put the kids out there and they have to learn on the job. Fans just have to accept the mistakes and not get on the kids back too much expecting them to be what they are not.

Some youngsters will be a hit from game 1 others will take half a season to get up to speed. I think this will all serve Gaskell well come next year, and with another half back like lomax or Wheeler, until Pryce and Wilkin return, it will take the pressure of him, unlike when he had eastmond alongside and had to do everything.

When you read Any Wilsons blog in the guardian after the Saints match, it starts of with a commentry on why poor Eastmond did not perform, but then almost every sentence about the match had Gaskell name in it doing good things and bad things. Basically it's all going through him and with that pressure he will make mistakes.

I still think he should be our 6 or 7 next year with someone of experience alongside. The mistakes will get less and less and the quality will improve as the season goes on so long as he gets some kind of support from another half back of any quality.

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:32 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

That's fair enough but there is not alot we can do about it, our 2 first choices are can't play and won't play. Our first main choice for back up is Wilkin also injured.

I doubt any other team could offer any more if they had their first 3 creative players out.

Take Maguire, burrows and Sinfield out of Leeds.
Tomkins, Lululi and Deacon out of Wigan
Brough, brown and robinson out of huddersfield

you get the point, when your top 3 choices are out you have to put the kids out there and they have to learn on the job. Fans just have to accept the mistakes and not get on the kids back too much expecting them to be what they are not.

Some youngsters will be a hit from game 1 others will take half a season to get up to speed. I think this will all serve Gaskell well come next year, and with another half back like lomax or Wheeler, until Pryce and Wilkin return, it will take the pressure of him, unlike when he had eastmond alongside and had to do everything.

When you read Any Wilsons blog in the guardian after the Saints match, it starts of with a commentry on why poor Eastmond did not perform, but then almost every sentence about the match had Gaskell name in it doing good things and bad things. Basically it's all going through him and with that pressure he will make mistakes.

I still think he should be our 6 or 7 next year with someone of experience alongside. The mistakes will get less and less and the quality will improve as the season goes on so long as he gets some kind of support from another half back of any quality.

That kind of pressure didn't serve the likes of Robinson and Brown well in the same situation at Wigan though.

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:52 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

That kind of pressure didn't serve the likes of Robinson and Brown well in the same situation at Wigan though.

That's a very good point, I don't know if the clubs and the rfl do enough to educate these young players on how to deal with these pressures, you can add sean long to that list at Wigan too

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:17 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

That kind of pressure didn't serve the likes of Robinson and Brown well in the same situation at Wigan though.

True but that's all down to the fans having expectations beyond the players ability to meet it, and coaches not commiting to the players. Wigan at that time went through half backs and coaches at a rate of knots. So it's a matter of having the confidence in the player to pull through when the going improves and not just sticking them out there to get batter for a year, then dump them.

Re: 19 Man Squad for Leeds : Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:24 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

True but that's all down to the fans having expectations beyond the players ability to meet it, and coaches not commiting to the players. Wigan at that time went through half backs and coaches at a rate of knots. So it's a matter of having the confidence in the player to pull through when the going improves and not just sticking them out there to get batter for a year, then dump them.

But what happens if Gaskell finishes this season in the form he's in now? I.e trying everything, but only a few things ever coming off?

After that long people would get bored of the 'he's young, he'll get some good experience' line and his reputation will nosedive.

Saints NEED to look at loaning a scrum half IF Kyle isn't going to play for us again. Even if it's only someone like Ben Black or Robbie Paul. Someone who can come in and organise and lead the team around a bit. If we could get an NRL player, great. If we could get someone early, bonus. But they've got to at least try for cover this season.

You know whats going to happen next, Leon will be rushed back again because we're losing a lot of games and he will get injured again. We're just lucky they did away with relegation