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Re: Re: : Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:55 am  
The Doghead wrote:
So you knew Birse where involved in the new road layout.


You implied it was the latest news. It wasn't. It was old news that we were unaware of.

We are splitting hairs here.

Wahoo for Birse. :wink:
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:01 am  
Paul Youane wrote:
Sadfish bare with me on this one but:

The Section 106 Agreement has the following definition with a linked obligation on Langtree:

“Agreement For Lease” means a contractual deed to be entered into by the Owner [Langtree Group Plc] and the Club [St Helens Rugby Club Limited] which shall provide for the Occupation [this is a defined term that means what it says not ownership] of the Stadium by the Club within 6 months of it being Practicably Completed to Superleague Standard; in a form approved by the Council”

That doesn’t suggest Saints will own the Stadium.


Clause 10.5 of Schedule 3 of the S106 contains the following provisions:

“…. To allow the Council to be the direct landlord of the Club pursuant to the lease entitling the Club to occupy the Stadium…”

If the Club owns the Stadium why is the Council their Landlord within a lease permitting the Club to occupy the Stadium. You should note the Stadium Land is separately defined and the lease referred to is very much for the facilities not the land. So again why would the Club enter a lease if they own the building?


I understand that you probably think I’m “muck-raking” however I am intrigued why you are so certain you are right yet publicly available, legally binding executed contracts suggest different? Why do you think these provisions have been included within these documents in the manner they have?


Thanks for that Paul, very interesting since I can't be ar*ed trawling the docs myself!

Couple of questions (pardon my ignorance):

1) If Langtree are the Owner, why are St Helens Council the Landlord? Are we subtenants with a head lease between Langtree and the Council?
2) Are there any more details re: lease terms (for the lease between the cluyb and the council, or any head lease between the council and Langtree?), specifically term and rental?
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Re: Re: : Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:02 pm  
Ski wrote:
Latest? That is from October, and discussing the access road.


Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.

Considering that we are nearly in February, with not even word on stadium contracts yet, then it looks like things have possibly slipped a bit in the timescale stakes.
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Re: Re: : Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:43 pm  
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Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.

Considering that we are nearly in February, with not even word on stadium contracts yet, then it looks like things have possibly slipped a bit in the timescale stakes.


This comes a surprise, why?
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Re: Re: : Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:38 pm  
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Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.


No you read that wrong. Its the access roundabout or whatever that Birse are doing that's due to commence January 2010 with completion July 2010.

Is thias the access that is to beused for the construction of the development? If so then that would be a significent delay to the scheme.

Potentially you could be having the whole 2011 without a home. I know Widnes gets mentioned but Leigh's ground is just a short sprint down the East Lancs and may be an option.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:42 pm  
FearTheVee wrote:
Thanks for that Paul, very interesting since I can't be ar*ed trawling the docs myself!

Couple of questions (pardon my ignorance):

1) If Langtree are the Owner, why are St Helens Council the Landlord? Are we subtenants with a head lease between Langtree and the Council?
2) Are there any more details re: lease terms (for the lease between the cluyb and the council, or any head lease between the council and Langtree?), specifically term and rental?


1. The reference to the Council being the Landlord is because that clause is taken from the Performance Bond Langtree have to procure if the Tesco is opened before the Stadium and would apply when Langtree have defaulted and the Council have stepped into Langtree's shoes in relation to building the stadium.

2. No details of the terms of the lease however the S106 Agreement does contains provisions that the lease Langtree enter into with St Helens Rugby Club is subject to the Council's approval.
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Re: Re: : Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:48 am  
The Chair Maker wrote:
Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.

Considering that we are nearly in February, with not even word on stadium contracts yet, then it looks like things have possibly slipped a bit in the timescale stakes.



I think the junction involved is the island at Mataland/kfc.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:42 am  
Mataland? Isn't that near Moldova?
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:26 pm  
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Mataland? Isn't that near Moldova?


No its at the bottom of Smithy brew. :lol:
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:49 pm  
No, it's a brand new island that will be inserted into the linkway
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